Genghis Khan
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As an aside I'm just finding out Mesidor is a Hoser (i.e, Canadian).
That's a huge red flag.
That's a huge red flag.
Well, shit. Someone call ICE.As an aside I'm just finding out Mesidor is a Hoser (i.e, Canadian).
That's a huge red flag.
And how many starting OTs in major college football are really 19 years old?
That said, I get what CRock is saying. I think the surgeries on the feet worry me more, though.
I'm posting this here because Schrager usually has one of the best mock drafts out there based on his sources, and he nailed the Booker pick last year. This is the first version so it's not as accurate as the one right before the draft, but I think it's an interesting data point relative to possibly corroborating some of the rumors that have been floating around:
1. Raiders - Fernando Mendoza
2. Jets - David Bailey
3. Cardinals - Arvell Reese
4. Titans - Jeremiyah Love
5. Giants - Francis Mauigoa
6. Browns - Spencer Fano
7. Commandos - Sonny Styles
8. Saints - Reuben Bain Jr.
9. Chiefs - Jordyn Tyson
10. Bengals - Mansoor Delane
11. Dolphins - Carnell Tate
12. Cowboys - Caleb Downs
13. Rams - Makai Lemon
14. Ravens - Kenyon Sadiq
15. Buccaneers - Jermod McCoy
16. Jets - Omar Cooper Jr.
17. Lions - Olaivavega Ioane
18. Vikings - Emmanuel McNeil-Warren
19. Panthers - Monroe Freeling
20. Cowboys - Akheem Mesidor
21. Steelers - TJ Parker
22. Chargers - Blake Miller
23. Eagles - Denzel Boston
24. Browns - KC Concepcion
25. Bears - Kadyn Proctor
26. Bills - Kayden McDonald
27. 49ers - Caleb Lomu
28. Texans - Max Iheanachor
29. Chiefs - Colton Hood
30. Dolphins - Dillon Thieneman
31. Patriots - Keylan Rutledge
32. Seahawks - Jadarian Price
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Some interesting tidbits for me:
1. Downs dropping to 12 is interesting because it's long been speculated that due to his position and average size/production that he could follow in the footsteps of guys like Derwin James and Kyle Hamilton, the fact that one of the most plugged in media guys has him falling out of the top 10 is notable.
2. Broaddus was floating Mesidor as the backup option at 12, the fact that he goes to us at 20 here seems to validate that we really like him given that he nailed the Booker pick last year.
3. Tyson to the Chiefs with Tate on the board is very interesting and I hope Schrager has some inside knowledge here, because the only way one of the top 6 defensive guys falls to 12 is if there is a surprise offensive pick somewhere ahead of us (Tyson, Sadiq, a 2nd OL after Mauigoa, etc.).
4. The Eagles being interested in WR's like Boston would obviously mean Brown is gone one way or the other.
5. Bailey to the Jets over Reese is sort of echoing some of the other rumors floating around that the Jets favor him.
Mesidor is a better pass rusher than everyone except Bailey and Bain, so why not take him over TJ Parker? Did Parker do anything in Clemson’s bowl game?I'm posting this here because Schrager usually has one of the best mock drafts out there based on his sources, and he nailed the Booker pick last year. This is the first version so it's not as accurate as the one right before the draft, but I think it's an interesting data point relative to possibly corroborating some of the rumors that have been floating around:
1. Raiders - Fernando Mendoza
2. Jets - David Bailey
3. Cardinals - Arvell Reese
4. Titans - Jeremiyah Love
5. Giants - Francis Mauigoa
6. Browns - Spencer Fano
7. Commandos - Sonny Styles
8. Saints - Reuben Bain Jr.
9. Chiefs - Jordyn Tyson
10. Bengals - Mansoor Delane
11. Dolphins - Carnell Tate
12. Cowboys - Caleb Downs
13. Rams - Makai Lemon
14. Ravens - Kenyon Sadiq
15. Buccaneers - Jermod McCoy
16. Jets - Omar Cooper Jr.
17. Lions - Olaivavega Ioane
18. Vikings - Emmanuel McNeil-Warren
19. Panthers - Monroe Freeling
20. Cowboys - Akheem Mesidor
21. Steelers - TJ Parker
22. Chargers - Blake Miller
23. Eagles - Denzel Boston
24. Browns - KC Concepcion
25. Bears - Kadyn Proctor
26. Bills - Kayden McDonald
27. 49ers - Caleb Lomu
28. Texans - Max Iheanachor
29. Chiefs - Colton Hood
30. Dolphins - Dillon Thieneman
31. Patriots - Keylan Rutledge
32. Seahawks - Jadarian Price
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Some interesting tidbits for me:
1. Downs dropping to 12 is interesting because it's long been speculated that due to his position and average size/production that he could follow in the footsteps of guys like Derwin James and Kyle Hamilton, the fact that one of the most plugged in media guys has him falling out of the top 10 is notable.
2. Broaddus was floating Mesidor as the backup option at 12, the fact that he goes to us at 20 here seems to validate that we really like him given that he nailed the Booker pick last year.
3. Tyson to the Chiefs with Tate on the board is very interesting and I hope Schrager has some inside knowledge here, because the only way one of the top 6 defensive guys falls to 12 is if there is a surprise offensive pick somewhere ahead of us (Tyson, Sadiq, a 2nd OL after Mauigoa, etc.).
4. The Eagles being interested in WR's like Boston would obviously mean Brown is gone one way or the other.
5. Bailey to the Jets over Reese is sort of echoing some of the other rumors floating around that the Jets favor him.
It's not the length of his playing career that concerns me as much as that what you're seeing is a 25 year old fully developed guy beating up on 19 year old kids on the football field. It almost feels like you're not comparing apples to apples when you're talking about a 21 year old vs a 25 year old. Especially at a position that is so physical and filled with violence. I hope I'm wrong, I just worry that he just is never going to become more than what he is today.
When you normally draft a 21 year old, you expect him to be better by the time he is 25. When you draft a 25 year old, do you expect him to be that much better when he is 29? That's really the question I have. The guy is in his prime years physically.
Well, his max is pretty good, then. 13 sacks in a college season with 2 in the championship game when it’s all on the line tells you a lot.I'm not as worried about the competition angle because there are so many older players in college over the last few years because of NIL and the COVID years, the Texas A&M OT's who Mesidor killed are both like 22-23 I believe. I'm sure that holds for other teams as well like Indiana who was notorious for having older players.
The main concern for me is if he's physically maxed out already.
Actually I’m not in love with this player at all. Safety in the first round had better make a compelling argument. Pass.Thieneman at 30 seems crazy.
Actually I’m not in love with this player at all. Safety in the first round had better make a compelling argument. Pass.
Too much more impactful talent all around. I’d rather have a Kadyn Proctor, frankly.
There is no way you can convince me to draft Thieneman over Peter Woods, for example. Thieneman is the litmus test player— if you find yourself tempted to draft him it’s a signal you need to trade down.
Actually I’m not in love with this player at all. Safety in the first round had better make a compelling argument. Pass.
Too much more impactful talent all around. I’d rather have a Kadyn Proctor, frankly.
There is no way you can convince me to draft Thieneman over Peter Woods, for example. Thieneman is the litmus test player— if you find yourself tempted to draft him it’s a signal you need to trade down.
Quick poll, what do you guys think of Downs?
I've always thought there was a good chance he falls to us, despite the "best player in the draft" opinions from many "gurus."
But wonder what y'all think.
Learned our lesson with Tyrone CrawfordAs an aside I'm just finding out Mesidor is a Hoser (i.e, Canadian).
That's a huge red flag.
Wonder if this one is getting beat up at Coyote Ugly too...Learned our lesson with Tyrone Crawford
He always seems undersized to me despite his being 6 ft on paper. As a Buckeye fan I always appreciated him adding extra punch to the defense, but I guess I didn’t think of him as this dominant superstar everyone’s calling him.Quick poll, what do you guys think of Downs?
I've always thought there was a good chance he falls to us, despite the "best player in the draft" opinions from many "gurus."
But wonder what y'all think.
I was very skeptical of him in the top 5. I thought he was being pretty over hyped a month or so ago.
If he does go top 5 it's too high. He's closer to Polamalu than Reed.
But he's potentially an impact player and I'd love him at 12.
Out of the top 6 defenders I think I have him 6th but I would be thrilled to have him.