The Outrage Thread

Right, because dry trees don't burn. :dunce
Come on Irv you’re one of the smartest dudes on here you know that’s a ridiculous statement right there. Of course dried trees burn but you know dried under brush that’s been drying out in the heat for months and months and months is like fucking tissue paper for flames.
 
The Democrats and their voters are 1000 times more responsible for what has happened in California than Republicans.

Irv has been poisoned with Trump derangement syndrome so he'll pretend it's just as much Republicans fault even though Democrats have controlled California for a political generation.
 
I guess every state that clears out their undergrowth is just batshit crazy and wasting their time. You know, since it doesn't really make any difference. :rolleyes

Also, anyone notice Jon Stewart actually used withholding disaster relief from a hurricane in a southern state as an example of something democrats would never do? :doh
 
What states are those? Serious question.
I know Colorado does it. Pretty sure Texas does it.

If the state doesn't do the work itself, they at least allow the power companies to do it without keeping the environmental freaks from stopping them.
 
I know Colorado does it. Pretty sure Texas does it.
I don't think you should use Colorado as an example... this happened while Mr. "Rake the forest" Trump was in office:

"Colorado's largest wildfire was the 2020 Cameron Peak Fire here in Larimer County. It burned nearly 209,000 acres, almost nine times the area of the Palisade Fire. "

And I don't think that Texas is well-known for its vast forest area...
 
I know Colorado does it. Pretty sure Texas does it.

If the state doesn't do the work itself, they at least allow the power companies to do it without keeping the environmental freaks from stopping them.
North Dakota does it too, through the Badlands anyway. I don't know if they do along Lake Sakakawea through the Missouri River Valley. Every 2-3 years, they clear underbrush and have controlled burns. The state pays, and is subsidized by oil companies that have oil leases in the area. The more leases, the more their share. They gladly pay it, because if a fire raged through that area...? A lot of oil wells on the north flat would be gone.
 
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North Dakota does it too, through the Badlands anyway. I don't know if they do along Lake Sakakawea through the Missouri River Valley. Every 2-3 years, they clear underbrush and have controlled burns. The state pays, and is subsidized by oil companies that have oil leases in the area. The more leases, the more their share. They gladly pay it, because if a fire raged through that area...? A lot of oil wells on the north flat would be gone.
Yes, I know for a fact Colorado does controlled burns, too. I've been there when they're doing them.

Now maybe that can't be done in residential areas, but I know your insurance company will basically force the homeowner to clear the brush anywhere near your house it or you can lose coverage, have your premiums skyrocket, etc. And that's Colorado, which has its share of environmental nuts. But nothing like California.
 
Same goes for some of you here... fires are still raging and the blame game is in full effect.
Not even comparable. You are ate up by one man. One man controls your mind. The people in this thread are arguing against policy over a large period of time, which involves many, many people. Not one man. And those policies are very hard to defend. Unky gave some good examples of them. Yet you defend them. Why? Because of being absolutely fucking brain cramped. Over one man.
 
Not even comparable. You are ate up by one man. One man controls your mind. The people in this thread are arguing against policy over a large period of time, which involves many, many people. Not one man. And those policies are very hard to defend. Unky gave some good examples of them. Yet you defend them. Why? Because of being absolutely fucking brain cramped. Over one man.
Oh stop... I'm not defending shit. I'm saying that there were a lot of people of many political persuasions who made decisions that put California in the situation they are in now. Unk, while pointing out those decisions, also attributed them to only one party, which is incorrect.
 
Oh stop... I'm not defending shit. I'm saying that there were a lot of people of many political persuasions who made decisions that put California in the situation they are in now. Unk, while pointing out those decisions, also attributed them to only one party, which is incorrect.
Which party has had control in California for quite some time now? I'm not seeing how some Republican mayor or councilman in northern California has much sway on policy in Orange County. Or in the Palisades area.

Maybe you can explain that to us.
 
Which party has had control in California for quite some time now? I'm not seeing how some Republican mayor or councilman in northern California has much sway on policy in Orange County. Or in the Palisades area.

Maybe you can explain that to us.
Again, almost half of the land in SoCal is federally owned. If you can't understand that, then I can't help you.

I am in complete agreement that controlled burns and ordinances that prohibit foliage from being clustered around homes (I think I heard there are already codes on the books, just not enforced effectively) has a substantial role to play in what they are dealing with now. The fact that the firemain system down there is inadequate for extinguishing the scale of these fires.

Are you telling me that if California was being run by Republicans for the past 20-30 years they wouldn't be dealing with this today? If so, you are just as delusional as you accuse me of being.
 
Again, almost half of the land in SoCal is federally owned. If you can't understand that, then I can't help you.
So, is that federally owned land responsible for not diverting water to fill reservoirs and storage tanks so little fishies can thrive? No? Or maybe that was some little Republican councilman's responsibility. That's only one example, but if you can't understand that, then I can't help you.

Are you telling me that if California was being run by Republicans for the past 20-30 years they wouldn't be dealing with this today? If so, you are just as delusional as you accuse me of being.
Nice attempt at a spinaway, but it's not going to work. So yeah, I am telling you that. Would there still be fire danger if California was an R led state? Absolutely. But would that state be still worried about protecting a flower over fire safety? Saving fish over fire safety? Letting our fire departments go to shit with DEI? Cutting millions from the fire budget to divert funds elsewhere?

Would there still be fires in California under Republican watch? Yep. But I sincerely doubt they'd be as catastrophic as they are under Newsome and the rest. At the very least, we could bet firemen wouldn't just be standing around looking at empty fire hydrants while the world burned. So yeah, Irv. You ARE delusional if you are trying to defend this bullshit.
 
Jesus Christ, you are so intent on chewing raw meat that you don't even read what I said.

Again, I didn't defend shit, I said that stupid people were making decisions, including the ones that you pointed out above, regardless of their party affiliation. But I still maintain that to think that some Republican(s) was/were going to stand there in a blue suit and red cape with the big R emblazoned on their chest holding a hand up to the fires and making them less catastrophic is pure fucking fantasy on your part.
 
But I still maintain that to think that some Republican(s) was/were going to stand there in a blue suit and red cape with the big R emblazoned on their chest holding a hand up to the fires and making them less catastrophic is pure fucking fantasy on your part.
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Yeah. I'm the one not reading what was said.
 
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