The Outrage Thread

[Sheik]

Now these, I don't agree with. Parents should be informed of what's happening with their kids and allowed to make the choice if they want the kids to participate.

The whole point is that if a parent thinks it’s a good idea to have a person in drag shaking his ass at their minor child, they aren’t fit to raise that child in the first place.

 

[Smitty]

Correct, because medication can fix the brain chemistry of someone going through a mental disorder. Not all, but at least a portion of every mental disease has a medication that can make positive effects. But since trans isn't a mental disorder, there is no medication that will "fix" it. Hence why it isn't a delusion or hallucination and not a mental disorder.

Trans IS a mental disorder.

Trans is the incongruence between your gender identity, which is entirely comprised of your brain chemistry, versus biological reality. There isn't a tangible difference between being trans and experiencing gender dysphoria.

 

[Smitty]

This is basic google stuff. What is trans?

Advocates will say being trans is "people whose gender identity is different from the gender they were thought to be at birth."

How do you know you are trans/have a different gender identity? From transequality.org (this is the ENTIRE answer):

People can realize that they're transgender at any age. Some people can trace their awareness back to their earlier memories – they just knew. Others may need more time to realize that they are transgender. Some people may spend years feeling like they don't fit in without really understanding why, or may try to avoid thinking or talking about their gender out of fear, shame, or confusion. Trying to repress or change one’s gender identity doesn’t work; in fact, it can be very painful and damaging to one’s emotional and mental health. As transgender people become more visible in the media and in community life across the country, more transgender people are able to name and understand their own experiences and may feel safer and more comfortable sharing it with others.


For many transgender people, recognizing who they are and deciding to start gender transition can take a lot of reflection. Transgender people risk social stigma, discrimination, and harassment when they tell other people who they really are. Parents, friends, coworkers, classmates, and neighbors may be accepting—but they also might not be, and many transgender people fear that they will not be accepted by their loved ones and others in their life. Despite those risks, being open about one’s gender identity, and living a life that feels truly authentic, can be a life-affirming and even life-saving decision.



"They just knew."

It's all about "when you realize it," or "how you know." There is not a single concrete, testable, or provable thing. If you feel like you are a different gender, if you feel shame, confusion, fear, etc, then you are.

The description of WHAT IT IS TO BE TRANS is a description of gender dysphoria. "They just know" that they don't match. They can tell. They sense it. They FEEL the discrepancy.

That's unease. That's distress. That's what these words mean.

I don't care that the clinical definition of gender dysphoria calls for higher amounts of suffering or distress. They are talking about the exact same things.

Gender dysphoria is trans. Trans is gender dysphoria.

And gender dysphoria is a mental disorder.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

There needs to be documented distress pertaining to the gender for it to be appropriate.

I mean if we are going off the clinical definitions here this isn't technically correct either. Specifically what you all are arguing over is the portion that requires:

significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

I understand that your argument is if you don't have this specific criteria but meet everything else from the Gender Dysphoria than you don't have Gender Dysphoria but are still transgender. But I think you'd be pretty challenged to find someone who identifies as transgender who hasn't had distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

The whole point is that if a parent thinks it’s a good idea to have a person in drag shaking his ass at their minor child, they aren’t fit to raise that child in the first place.

Frankly I don't think it's a good idea for any adult to shake their ass at a minor child. Drag or not. I'd be equally disturbed if a non drag person did this. Of course my inclination with that individual would probably be that they are a child molester. It's funny how though if you put them in the opposite sex's clothes that somehow it becomes socially acceptable to some people. Now I don't think anyone here would find that socially acceptable. A drag queen reading a book doesn't necessarily meet this criteria for example though. Which is where people probably have a stronger disagreement.

 

[Smitty]

I understand that your argument is if you don't have this specific criteria but meet everything else from the Gender Dysphoria than you don't have Gender Dysphoria but are still transgender. But I think you'd be pretty challenged to find someone who identifies as transgender who hasn't had distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

That's what I'm saying.

The mere fact that one is growing up, "assigned" a gender, which has worked for everyone since the dawn of time until 1960, and then says to themselves "This gender assignment isn't working for me, I'm the opposite," -- that emotional response is in and of itself the kind of unease or distress that "gender dysphoria" describes in higher quantities.

Saying "Hey, this penis doesn't fit me," is only a step down from saying "Hey, this penis doesn't fit me, and it's really starting to affect my mood."

NOTICING AN INCONGRUENCE that necessitates a change in your behavior, implies unease. It's a lack of acceptance of reality that you step towards changing because you aren't happy with reality. From there it's just a skip away from depression setting in because your reality sucks.

 

[armadillooutlaw]

Hang tight. With the new right-of-center Court, we'll reverse that too.

That won't happen, but the media meltdown in response to that would be more insane than the reaction to Trump winning the 2016 election.

 

[armadillooutlaw]

Hang tight. With the new right-of-center Court, we'll reverse that too.

Wish they would.

 

[jsmith6919]

 

[Cotton]

It's something that can't be campaigned on anymore so it was returned to it's fringe

Yep. They are no longer useful to them.

 

[Cotton]

"correct the mistake"

I'm sorry, and I have been mostly civil in this ridiculous discussion, but I can't anymore. THERE IS NO FUCKING MISTAKE. Good fucking god, dude. Maybe you have dysphoria for believing it. Jesus Christ.

 

[Cotton]

legit trouble coping with their situation would.

You mean like people who chops their tits or dicks off? Would that be "coping with their situation"?

 

[Cotton]

I've never seen nor heard of drag shows in school but I also don't want or read the news sites you referenced the stories from.

You have heard about them. You just purposely buried your head in the sand about it. If I found that many results on the first page of a google search it's obviously a thing. I think you're lying here.

 

[Cotton]

The whole point is that if a parent thinks it’s a good idea to have a person in drag shaking his ass at their minor child, they aren’t fit to raise that child in the first place.

It's child abuse. Plain and simple.

 

[Cotton]

That's what I'm saying.

The mere fact that one is growing up, "assigned" a gender, which has worked for everyone since the dawn of time until 1960, and then says to themselves "This gender assignment isn't working for me, I'm the opposite," -- that emotional response is in and of itself the kind of unease or distress that "gender dysphoria" describes in higher quantities.

Saying "Hey, this penis doesn't fit me," is only a step down from saying "Hey, this penis doesn't fit me, and it's really starting to affect my mood."

NOTICING AN INCONGRUENCE that necessitates a change in your behavior, implies unease. It's a lack of acceptance of reality that you step towards changing because you aren't happy with reality. From there it's just a skip away from depression setting in because your reality sucks.

Dead on.

 

[Cotton]

You motherfuckers. This is the slippery slope we allowed to happen. This is unconscionable. And it pisses me the fuck off. I have a child with special needs, and the thought of her having the option to lop off her tits is unreal to me. Kinda like how a 10 year old doesn't know what they need.

Fuck, that shit pisses me off.

 

[Sheik]

You motherfuckers. This is the slippery slope we allowed to happen. This is unconscionable. And it pisses me the fuck off. I have a child with special needs, and the thought of her having the option to lop off her tits is unreal to me. Kinda like how a 10 year old doesn't know what they need.

Fuck, that shit pisses me off.

It’s why I have no use for anyone who plays this game. It’s not a refusal to recognize their humanity. It’s a full on rejection of their disgusting ideas.

Who would even consider that it would be a decent and responsible thing to mutilate a child? Not a normal person. It’s just as bad to sit idly by and say “it’s cool or whatever if the parents and the kid wanna do it.”.

That’s like half a step away from saying if a child thinks it’s okay to have sex with a adult, then having sex with a kid is fine. There isn’t a difference really.

 

[Cotton]

It’s why I have no use for anyone who plays this game. It’s not a refusal to recognize their humanity. It’s a full on rejection of their disgusting ideas.

Who would even consider that it would be a decent and responsible thing to mutilate a child? Not a normal person. It’s just as bad to sit idly by and say “it’s cool or whatever if the parents and the kid wanna do it.”.

That’s like half a step away from saying if a child thinks it’s okay to have sex with a adult, then having sex with a kid is fine. There isn’t a difference really.

I can't remember who said it, but the vast majority of the proponents of this ridiculousness are pedos.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

It’s why I have no use for anyone who plays this game. It’s not a refusal to recognize their humanity. It’s a full on rejection of their disgusting ideas.

Who would even consider that it would be a decent and responsible thing to mutilate a child? Not a normal person. It’s just as bad to sit idly by and say “it’s cool or whatever if the parents and the kid wanna do it.”.

That’s like half a step away from saying if a child thinks it’s okay to have sex with a adult, then having sex with a kid is fine. There isn’t a difference really.

Exactly. The logical end point of all this is that there's no difference between a child and an adult. That it's just an arbitrary distinction.

 

[NoDak]

@Cotton @NoDak

What am I missing with this guy here? I express my opinion as fact? He doesn't?

I'm confused.

You and I have butted heads on numerous occasions. But I will give you credit for one thing. Your arguments are more often than not well constructed and thought out. With actual info provided backing what you are claiming. Now, I’m not saying you are always right. (you’re just not, fucker.) But you present a good argument for what you believe. Others…. Not so much.