The Outrage Thread

[Smitty]

No, the culture I buy in to is be kind of one another.

That is the culture that everyone buys into. Conservatives aren't over here twisting their mustaches trying to hatch plots to oppress people.

They have a difference of opinion over what is good for everyone, obviously.

As previously stated, even those who strongly disagree with the concept of transgenderism would almost certainly be kind and cordial to a transgender person. There's a difference between kindness and affirmation, though.

If you feel like something is a lie, calling it a lie is not an unkindness.

The important thing is to recognize that trans people are suffering and to deduce what to do about it that does not negatively affect the rest of society.

Overall public safety and the ability to live your private life as you see fit as long as it doesn't F with the greater good.

And so again, if they want to have men wearing dresses more power to them.

When you start forcing the rest of us to have biological men competing against biological women in women's sports, it becomes a problem that transcends anything to do with "kindness." When you want to teach a curriculum in school that a man can identify as a woman and then be just as much of a woman as my daughter, that is simply an untruth that has nothing to do with "kindness."

 

[Smitty]

Who the hell is having drag shows in school?

You haven't been paying attention, apparently.

 

[Smitty]

Transgender and delusions are not the same thing. Wouldn't expect many of you to agree, but it isn't.

It's not the same as hallucinating, but it's a mental disorder that stems from the brain's incongruence with reality. We medicate this to bring the brain into compliance with reality in every other instance.

 

[Cotton]

You haven't been paying attention, apparently.

Or willfully ignorant.

 

[Smitty]

Well let's start with his ridiculous assertion that Jan 6 wasn't a riot "by any metric".

My assertion that it was not a riot is not in the slightest any different than your assertion that it was.

Each of our positions are being stated as fact supported by evidence.

It's just that my evidence is way better than yours.

Then we can move on to his diatribes that somehow show that he is some sort of expert in psychology/physiology when it comes to how/why/what people feel.

The classic fallback of the ignorant or beaten in debate. Claim that I'm being overbearing.

Dude, I never said I was an expert. I just know more than you (and Prodigal Son) do.

I'm right and you are wrong. Sorry. I'm not apologizing for knowing more about this subject than you do. You're ignorant and I'm not.

Take the L and get over your feelings. Of course, you are skirting around what you actually believe on this subject, so if you feel as I do, welcome to the winning team.

 

[Rev]

I love lamp.

 

[Prodigal_Son]

This is the very first result when googling "drag shows in school".

MSN

www.msn.com

So here's my take on this event specifically....I don't care.

An event that features the classes normal everyday teacher who happens to perform in drag at night doing one school event in drag and parents were aware of it with many helping coordinate it. If you don't want your kids to be exposed to that, don't put them in that school or at least hold them out that day. It's not like he was soliciting the kids to make them sex slaves.

 

[Prodigal_Son]

A School Took Middle Schoolers to a Drag Show Without Telling Their Parents

If you're a parent, you must resist the temptation to indulge your anger. But you must also reject the temptation to remain silent.

www.newsweek.com

Pennsylvania School Hosts Drag Show for Kids Without Parent's Permission

A Lancaster, Pennsylvania school is in hot water for allowing its LGBTQ club to stage a drag show on school property without parents permission.

townhall.com

How many more examples do you need? Get your fucking head out of the sand.

Now these, I don't agree with. Parents should be informed of what's happening with their kids and allowed to make the choice if they want the kids to participate.

 

[Smitty]

So here's my take on this event specifically....I don't care.

That's nice.

The rest of us care very much.

An event that features the classes normal everyday teacher who happens to perform in drag at night doing one school event in drag and parents were aware of it with many helping coordinate it. If you don't want your kids to be exposed to that, don't put them in that school or at least hold them out that day. It's not like he was soliciting the kids to make them sex slaves.

Don't put them in that school, right.

Point me to the public school in my district where I can have boys in boy bathrooms, girls in girl bathrooms, and no drag events, and I'll fill out the paperwork immediately.

Doesn't exist? Then we'll just eliminate this stuff from the school that does exist then. Since you don't care then it won't be a problem, and this teacher will be fired if it happens again.

 

[Cotton]

So here's my take on this event specifically....I don't care.

An event that features the classes normal everyday teacher who happens to perform in drag at night doing one school event in drag and parents were aware of it with many helping coordinate it. If you don't want your kids to be exposed to that, don't put them in that school or at least hold them out that day. It's not like he was soliciting the kids to make them sex slaves.

You said it wasn't fucking happening and I gave you numerous examples. All from the very first page of the google search. Your head is in the sand or you're being willfully ignorant to try to prove some point.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

You know in drug court there is now a big push to not use the term drug addict. The now preferred term you are supposed to use is a person with a substance abuse disorder. The idea is that the term addict has a harsh connotation and the preferred term makes it feel more like a medical condition.

There are a bunch of other words they are recommending the personnel in drug court use instead basically designed to help make people feel better about their situation. I'm the defense attorney for my circuit for drug court. I do it because I enjoy helping people and believe in drug court.

Anyway my point is all we are really doing is playing with words here to try to be less offensive to a transgender person. I can realize that being transgender is part of a mental illness while also recognizing that I wouldn't tell a transgender person that they are mentally ill. I absolutely believe in treating all people with respect and dignity and I also hate grouping people together. Not all transgender people are the wacko's you see on youtube, twitter and your Budlight can. Some of them believe it or not just want to go about their life peacefully and often prefer to be out of the spotlight. It's not some sexual fetish, it's not to win at sports, it's just to be happy. I'm all for those people. If dressing as a different gender, changing your name and appearance leads to a happy and fullfilled life for someone, I'm all for it.

The problem of course are the transgender people that we see more publicly that do sound like wack jobs or they use their inherent advantage to dominate in women's sports or they want to go in a women's bathroom with children while being biologically male that makes us lump them all into these categories. Those people are bad people, it's not just because they are transgender. They were likely bad people regardless. I don't care to defend those people.

 

[Smitty]

You said it wasn't fucking happening and I gave you numerous examples. All from the very first page of the google search. Your head is in the sand or you're being willfully ignorant to try to prove some point.

His last response was his way of saying I guess Cotton is right that it is happening, so he had to shift to why it's not a problem despite it happening.

 

[Prodigal_Son]

You said it wasn't fucking happening and I gave you numerous examples. All from the very first page of the google search. Your head is in the sand or you're being willfully ignorant to try to prove some point.

I didn't say it wasn't happening? I asked who was doing that? They aren't happening around here, but I assume DeSantis would just sue the shit out of someone if they did.

 

[Cotton]

I didn't say it wasn't happening? I asked who was doing that?

There is a difference here?

 

[Smitty]

I keep hoping it's a fad that will go away, like the Macarena or Ice Water Challenge.

It will eventually, it's a fad and a politically-supported narrative. No one ever talks about society's oppression of gay people anymore, you notice that?

What, Obergefell and the marriage equality act passed and opposition from 50% of the nation disappeared overnight?

It's something that can't be campaigned on anymore so it was returned to it's fringe spot in society where it can continue to be the non-story it was, that was functioning just fine from the beginning of time until about the year 2003.

 

[bbgun]

What, Obergefell and the marriage equality act passed and opposition from 50% of the nation disappeared overnight?

Hang tight. With the new right-of-center Court, we'll reverse that too.

 

[Prodigal_Son]

You are talking about degree of the same basic sensation or perception. The afflicted can articulate a difference in their mind between how they feel, or, in other words, "what they know is their gender identity," vs their biological sex, and they have a strong enough negative emotional response to warrant taking action to do something about it (whether that is actual treatment or just seeking affirmation from support structures or just saying you are going to wear a dress and be happy). The flip side of this coin is those who report no negative emotional response to abiding by their biological sex, but feeling an increased POSITIVE emotional response from adopting a new gender identity. This is the same thing, basically.

Both of these are the brain giving feedback - either outright negative feedback to reality, or positive feedback to fantasy.



But a rape victim can point to something external that factually occurred to them.

No one is trans without having a brain that doesn't match their biological reality.

Whether they are heavily suffering "distress," or "unease" or merely driven to select a different identity, the fact that they are choosing an identity that is different than their biological sex is per se evidence of their unease with their biology, ie, their reality.



Yes but again, the impetus to identify as trans only occurs with the dysphoria or disconnection from reality that one feels to begin with, not as a result of something that happened to them in nature.

It feels like you keep referring to the dictionary definition of dysphoria rather than looking at the clinical guideline for the diagnosis. Unease isn't a clinically appropriate symptom to diagnose GD, even if it's a word associated with the general term "dysphoria". There needs to be documented distress pertaining to the gender for it to be appropriate.

Someone born a male but believing they were meant to be female and having some mild anxiety about it does not qualify. If they take steps to "correct the mistake" and that eases their anxiety, they do not qualify. Only someone who has legit trouble coping with their situation would. And even if they do....if they are able to resolve it in some way and ease the distress, the diagnosis would then go away. Not all diagnosis stick for life.

 

[Prodigal_Son]

It's not the same as hallucinating, but it's a mental disorder that stems from the brain's incongruence with reality. We medicate this to bring the brain into compliance with reality in every other instance.

Correct, because medication can fix the brain chemistry of someone going through a mental disorder. Not all, but at least a portion of every mental disease has a medication that can make positive effects. But since trans isn't a mental disorder, there is no medication that will "fix" it. Hence why it isn't a delusion or hallucination and not a mental disorder.

 

[Prodigal_Son]

There is a difference here?

Ya. I've never seen nor heard of drag shows in school but I also don't want or read the news sites you referenced the stories from.

And again, the ones doing it without parental notification and consent aren't cool. The ones who are, whatever they want to do.

 

[Smitty]

It feels like you keep referring to the dictionary definition of dysphoria rather than looking at the clinical guideline for the diagnosis. Unease isn't a clinically appropriate symptom to diagnose GD, even if it's a word associated with the general term "dysphoria". There needs to be documented distress pertaining to the gender for it to be appropriate.

Someone born a male but believing they were meant to be female and having some mild anxiety about it does not qualify. If they take steps to "correct the mistake" and that eases their anxiety, they do not qualify. Only someone who has legit trouble coping with their situation would. And even if they do....if they are able to resolve it in some way and ease the distress, the diagnosis would then go away. Not all diagnosis stick for life.

I'm talking about what makes someone transgender to begin with.

If it doesn't fit the clinical definition of gender dysphoria, that may be, but what makes them transgender then?

(I already answered that question).