The Gun Control Debate Thread

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Actually, that is kind of the deal here.

There should be not a damn, real reason you have an arsenal that the redneck in Tremors would envy. You might want it, great.

But if that right makes it easier for the insane, hated-filled and diseased to their way to their goals, sorry, I don't find that noble at all.

If you want to drape yourself in some constitutional banner that doesn't even relate to today's climate, I feel sorry for you.

But I do understand where you are coming from. I am just shaking my head as I acknowledge that fact.
Guess what Hitler and Mussolini did first when they started their horrific regimes? They disarmed people. Taking ARs away is step one. I refuse to go down that path. So, think what you will about my redneck ass, but this world has gone crazy, and I will continue to arm myself as I see fit.
 

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When someone goes out and buys excessive amounts of guns and what not, I kind think that has progressed into the "need" category.

We have a lot of rights in this country.

I don't feel the need to scream out how great they are. They are just what they are.
"excessive" is a relative term. And, one you nor anyone else gets to define.
 

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I don't feel the need to scream out how great they are.
We aren't screaming out how great they are. We are screaming out how necessary those rights are.
 

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When someone goes out and buys excessive amounts of guns and what not, I kind think that has progressed into the "need" category.

We have a lot of rights in this country.

I don't feel the need to scream out how great they are. They are just what they are.
99.9% of the people with multiple guns aren't the ones doing these (or any) crimes
 

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Actually, that is kind of the deal here.

There should be not a damn, real reason you have an arsenal that the redneck in Tremors would envy. You might want it, great.

But if that right makes it easier for the insane, hated-filled and diseased to their way to their goals, sorry, I don't find that noble at all.

If you want to drape yourself in some constitutional banner that doesn't even relate to today's climate, I feel sorry for you.

But I do understand where you are coming from. I am just shaking my head as I acknowledge that fact.
The people with collections like tht(and for the record his wasn't actually that big) are NOT the ones doing these attacks.
 

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I have a good piece of land. If someone was 150 feet from by backdoor on my land and I needed to use extreme action against them a handgun or shotgun is mostly useless. So, there is that. Or, are you proposing I should let them get within range first?
So the 0.01% chance that you need to “use extreme action” at 150ft supersedes the 1% of psychos that would mean waiting a couple extra weeks for your gun? Was a warning shot ever a consideration? Or is this some kind of dream where commandos of illegals overrun your land and you take them out Rambo style?
 

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:lol

I always love that one.
Again what is this scenario that requires you to have a “scary looking” AR, so you can shoot an army at 150ft? I’m guessing it’s multiple armed assailants, because if it’s one guy you take one shot and he’s turning tail no matter what you took that shot with.
 

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Again what is this scenario that requires you to have a “scary looking” AR, so you can shoot an army at 150ft? I’m guessing it’s multiple armed assailants, because if it’s one guy you take one shot and he’s turning tail no matter what you took that shot with.
Who brought "army" into the conversation? One guy at 150 feet is very difficult to hit with a pistol or especially a shotgun. It requires a rifle.
 

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Who brought "army" into the conversation? One guy at 150 feet is very difficult to hit with a pistol or especially a shotgun. It requires a rifle.
And what makes this guy so driven that he will continue to come at you even after you fire a shot at him? What makes him keep going instead of turning around and finding an easier home to invade? Why do you have to kill him?
 

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Home defense can be accomplished by handguns and shotguns as far as I am concerned. But I am sure one you yahoos will try to educate me on that.

Sorry, but the fear of gangs of (whispers probably ethnic) people coming and robbing and killing me and my family does not dominate my consciousness. So now, I don't see the need for anyone to have a high powered firearm capable of mowing down people at a festival if I suddenly decided I wanted to do that.

And you know what, if my lack of concern means other psychos can just prey on me, you know what, that is natural fucking selection.

Somehow, I have been able to survive on this planet in my lifetime without a firearm in my home.
Weird how that works, right?

The way some people tell it, it's a miracle that we can even survive a day in this country without being armed to the teeth with guns in our home.

I guess we're just some of the luckiest guys around.
 

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And what makes this guy so driven that he will continue to come at you even after you fire a shot at him? What makes him keep going instead of turning around and finding an easier home to invade? Why do you have to kill him?
It's preposterous.

You're asking very logical questions, but just as I alluded to when I first posted in this thread, these gun lovers will not budge even in the slightest and that's why you cannot have a level-headed conversation with them.

They refuse to acknowledge even in the slightest that a very real problem exists.

It's no use.
 

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And what makes this guy so driven that he will continue to come at you even after you fire a shot at him? What makes him keep going instead of turning around and finding an easier home to invade? Why do you have to kill him?
Have you not paid attention to the world lately. If you have, you would understand it has gone crazy. You expect me to just "hope" he walks off after a warning shot with my family inside? Not going to happen. So, excuse me while I make a decision to defend my home with whatever resources are afforded me.

Why do I have to kill him? Hopefully, I wouldn't. But, because he is a threat to my family as long as he stands on my property I have the right to do so. Sorry, you hate that. But, I don't really give a shit.
 

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It's preposterous.

You're asking very logical questions, but just as I alluded to when I first posted in this thread, these gun lovers will not budge even in the slightest and that's why you cannot have a level-headed conversation with them.

They refuse to acknowledge even in the slightest that a very real problem exists.

It's no use.
"Why won't you compromise with me by giving me everything I want while getting nothing in return?"
 

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Weird how that works, right?

The way some people tell it, it's a miracle that we can even survive a day in this country without being armed to the teeth with guns in our home.

I guess we're just some of the luckiest guys around.
I hope to all that is holy you never have to defend yourself or your self with gunfire. I hope the same for myself. But, I damn sure will be prepared in case I do. You, nor anyone else, can take that from me.
 

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It's preposterous.

You're asking very logical questions, but just as I alluded to when I first posted in this thread, these gun lovers will not budge even in the slightest and that's why you cannot have a level-headed conversation with them.

They refuse to acknowledge even in the slightest that a very real problem exists.

It's no use.
Budge? What would you have us budge on? Giving up our rifles? I seriously would like an answer. If the answer is yes, then, uhh, no.
 

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Budge? What would you have us budge on? Giving up our rifles? I seriously would like an answer. If the answer is yes, then, uhh, no.
And meanwhile they refuse to budge on nationwide ccw reciprocity or suppressors, but we should cave while getting nothing
 

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I'm curious to know how anybody could know how a home invader will react in any given situation. Or how you know they will just leave and find another place to go.

What if his intentions are more sinister than just robbing the place? What if his intention is to end the life of somebody that is in that house?

I don't know about you guys, but I'm not willing to just take the word of some dumb ass on the internet that THINKS they might know what will happen in a certain situation.

Same with the notion that a hand gun or shotgun should be enough for self defense. How do you know? Ever been in that situation? Just because again, you THINK you know what should be enough, is not enough for me. You decide what you want to do in the event of protecting your family and I'll decide for myself, thanks.


Also, ever notice how the guys that think they know better are always the guys that also admit to not knowing much at all about guns? And are all full of self righteous indignation when people don't agree with them? ~glances at Ace~ :lol
 
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