I wonder who he was related to.Tulsa World is reporting that the guy's training records were all falsified, and that supervisors that refused to cooperate were transferred out.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/courts/sources-supervisors-told-to-falsify-reserve-deputy-s-training-records/article_a6330f10-a9fb-51e3-ab5e-4d97b03c6c04.html
He was a millionaire local insurance agent who donated heavily to the SO and took the sheriff on expensive fishing trips.I wonder who he was related to.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crimewatch/sheriff-s-spokesman-parts-of-reserve-deputy-s-training-requirements/article_f64077e4-13e8-57b0-9a1c-a88b72fb0226.htmlSheriff’s Maj. Shannon Clark flatly denied allegations that training records for Bates, a longtime friend of Sheriff Stanley Glanz, had been falsified, but he said the records of Bates’ training could not be provided until a number of things happened.
First, Clark said, the Sheriff’s Office would have to determine who trained Bates so they could be asked for the records. Clark said often those records are kept only by the trainee and the trainer.
Secondly, the records, if they exist, were created before the Sheriff’s Office began filing records digitally, he said. That means it would take an unknown amount of time to find the paper records documenting Bates’ training — if they remain on file at the Sheriff’s Office.
Thirdly, Clark said, it’s unclear how much of the supervised training Bates theoretically was required to have actually happened. That’s because Glanz can, as sheriff, waive any portion of Sheriff’s Office policy.
“The policies within our organization are signed off by the sheriff, but there are also policies that give the sheriff the ability to waive any policy within our organization. That’s part of being a Sheriff’s Office,” Clark said.
That works too.He was a millionaire local insurance agent who donated heavily to the SO and took the sheriff on expensive fishing trips.
I remember people getting really pissed at me for saying that cops in rural departments are not trained and educated enough.Sheriff’s Maj. Shannon Clark flatly denied allegations that training records for Bates, a longtime friend of Sheriff Stanley Glanz, had been falsified, but he said the records of Bates’ training could not be provided until a number of things happened.
First, Clark said, the Sheriff’s Office would have to determine who trained Bates so they could be asked for the records. Clark said often those records are kept only by the trainee and the trainer.
Secondly, the records, if they exist, were created before the Sheriff’s Office began filing records digitally, he said. That means it would take an unknown amount of time to find the paper records documenting Bates’ training — if they remain on file at the Sheriff’s Office.
Thirdly, Clark said, it’s unclear how much of the supervised training Bates theoretically was required to have actually happened. That’s because Glanz can, as sheriff, waive any portion of Sheriff’s Office policy.
“The policies within our organization are signed off by the sheriff, but there are also policies that give the sheriff the ability to waive any policy within our organization. That’s part of being a Sheriff’s Office,” Clark said.
I don't think the Tulsa is all that ruralI remember people getting really pissed at me for saying that cops in rural departments are not trained and educated enough.
So, imagine how low the qualifications are in rural Oklahoma.I don't think the Tulsa is all that rural
Not sure how this is relevant to the actual officers training there. This was an old rich guy playing cop. There was definitely some shady shit going on in regards to his training and some heads should roll for him being able to take part in raids just because he broke out the checkbook but I wouldn't classify him as a real cop.I remember people getting really pissed at me for saying that cops in rural departments are not trained and educated enough.
Oklahoma has as good a system as any other state. This appears to be a case of someone extending favors to a Barney Fife wannabee.So, imagine how low the qualifications are in rural Oklahoma.
Oklahoma has as good a system as any other state. This appears to be a case of someone extending favors to a Barney Fife wannabee.
Not sure how this is relevant to the actual officers training there. This was an old rich guy playing cop. There was definitely some shady shit going on in regards to his training and some heads should roll for him being able to take part in raids just because he broke out the checkbook but I wouldn't classify him as a real cop.
This doesn't strike you as insane, that the Sheriff can waive departmental policy, including things like safety training, at a WHIM? This is a good system?“The policies within our organization are signed off by the sheriff, but there are also policies that give the sheriff the ability to waive any policy within our organization. That’s part of being a Sheriff’s Office,” Clark said.
That's one isolated system. You can't assume it is universal state wide. In addition it is more of a misuse of power moreso than a bad policy structure. The culprit is the one who misuses the policy rather than the policy itself.This doesn't strike you as insane, that the Sheriff can waive departmental policy, including things like safety training, at a WHIM? This is a good system?
For all I know for sure, Texas is just as bad, but there should be a state law that prevents minimum training requirements from being waived by the sheriff or chief of police of any department, and provides for training records to be kept by the state, not 'lost or misplaced' by the department.That's one isolated system. You can't assume it is universal state wide. In addition it is more of a misuse of power moreso than a bad policy structure. The culprit is the one who misuses the policy rather than the policy itself.
I agree with that. The conundrum to these kinds of situations is that most companies and organizational structures give waiver authorty of sorts to the heads of the systems as an ordinary course. It goes to all structures including law enforcement. At some level some entity that supersedes all the above would have to enact statutes that trumps everything. The apparent candidate would seem to be at the state congressional level but I am not aware that anyone takes on this role other than the Attorney General's office. Even if they attempted to do so they would probably run into conflicts all the time with private business for trying to set goverenance rules. At best they would be limitex to governmental offices. It's a can of worms.For all I know for sure, Texas is just as bad, but there should be a state law that prevents minimum training requirements from being waived by the sheriff or chief of police of any department, and provides for training records to be kept by the state, not 'lost or misplaced' by the department.
In Texas, the Texas Commission on Law Enforcement has the power to regulate police all over the state. They govern things like who has peace officer certification. If there isn't an Oklahoma Commission doing the same thing, there should be.I agree with that. The conundrum to these kinds of situations is that most companies and organizational structures give waiver authorty of sorts to the heads of the systems as an ordinary course. It goes to all structures including law enforcement. At some level some entity that supersedes all the above would have to enact statutes that trumps everything. The apparent candidate would seem to be at the state congressional level but I am not aware that anyone takes on this role other than the Attorney General's office. Even if they attempted to do so they would probably run into conflicts all the time with private business for trying to set goverenance rules. At best they would be limitex to governmental offices. It's a can of worms.
I really don't know the inner workings of either state but the power they would need is to prohibit any waiver authoriy. Do they have that?In Texas, the Texas Commission on Law Enforcement has the power to regulate police all over the state. They govern things like who has peace officer certification. If there isn't an Oklahoma Commission doing the same thing, there should be.
For police training, yes. If you don't get the training you need to be a certified peace officer in Texas, you aren't one, period.I really don't know the inner workings of either state but the power they would need is to prohibit any waiver authoriy. Do they have that?