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Bill Gates shares his optimistic take on coronavirus death toll projections
BY MarketWatch
— 5:56 PM ET 04/05/2020

That's Microsoft ( MSFT)co-founder Bill Gates referring to the projections that the U.S. could ultimately see between 100,000 and 240,000 deaths amid the coronavirus pandemic.

"If we had kept on going to work, traveling like we were, that curve would never bend until you'd had the majority of people infected," Gates said Sunday in a Fox News interview (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bill-gates-pandemic-is- nightmare-scenario-but-national-response-can-reduce-casualties), adding that, while this is a "nightmare scenario," social distancing should cause infections to level off by the end of April.

"It's very important that those numbers are out there because a lot of people are still thinking, 'Hey, isn't life normal,' not waking up every day to a completely new reality," he added, praising Dr. Anthony Fauci for "doing a very good job of saying, 'The numbers are what count here.'"

See:Fauci urges nationwide stay-at-home order: 'I don't understand why that's not happening' (http:// www.marketwatch.com/story/fauci-urges-nationwide-stay-at-home-order-i-dont-understand-why-thats-not-happening-2020-04- 02)

As for a second wave, Gates said, yes, an arrested coronavirus pandemic could very well come back in the fall, but by then we will be better prepared for treatments and a vaccine won't be too far behind.

"Some jobs will resume, school will partially resume, but we'll have to be very, very careful not to have the rebound until the vaccine comes," he added.

Here's a clip from the interview:
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Last week, Gates, in a Washington Post op-ed (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bill-gates-shutdown-everywhere-or-well- be-faced-with-a-recipe-for-disaster-2020-04-01), urged the government to enforce a nationwide shutdown, warning that the fact that some states aren't taking that action is problematic.

"Despite urging from public health experts, some states and counties haven't shut down completely," he said. "In some states, beaches are still open; in others, restaurants still serve sit-down meals. This is a recipe for disaster. Because people can travel freely across state lines, so can the virus."

There are now 1.22 million diagnosed cases of COVID-19 and 65,884 deaths worldwide (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ coronavirus-update-104-million-cases-55132-deaths-and-us-health-care-workers-clamor-for-masks-and-gloves-2020-04-03), according to the latest tally from Johns Hopkins University. The U.S. continues to show the highest number of cases at 312,249, with 8,503 fatalities. New York state remains the pandemic's epicenter in the U.S.

-Shawn Langlois; 415-439-6400; AskNewswires@dowjones.com
 

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So impressed by our brave medical professionals.

This is war and they are answering the call.

Think about what they are doing before you try to explain you viewpoint. Especially if you choose to go political.

They don't know politics. They are the ones fighting.
 

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Wow.

Mother fuckers are setting up fake test sites and taking money from people.
 

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source?

like politicians, crooks (interchangeable amirite? :lol ) never let a crisis go to waste
 

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source?

like politicians, crooks (interchangeable amirite? :lol ) never let a crisis go to waste
No, just common everyday criminals. On the national news. I hope people apply common sense.

Wait.
 

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Wait...so this is ok but they arrest the guy on a paddleboard with no one around him?
 

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I read this and am very interested. It does not have the adverse cardiac side effects of hydroxychloroquine and is well studied. Looks like it has great efficacy in vitro (in a test tube). The question is does it have good efficacy in vivo (in the pt)? I spoke to one of our hospitalists and he's going to speak to the ID doc. We may consider adding it as an adjunct. There aren't a lot of downsides.

By the way, your dog's heart worm pills likely have Ivermectin in it.

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One thing I will say is the lack of testing really screws you for this kind of stuff. We test admitted pts but you'd like to be able to send people home with something. However, without doing a test, you don't really want to put somebody on some random medication which may or may not help with a disease they may or may not have. Every time you give a pt a med, there is some risk, albeit small. You don't want to potentially harm somebody who has an 80% chance to do fine if you do nothing.
 
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Here's another drug under investigation. Japanese drug the Chinese seem to think helps.


The problem with all this is there are so many drugs that look promising in the lab or with just a few pts that just don't pan out when put into clinical trials.
 

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I'm curious, what does this even mean, "people like me?"

The truth is, Trump probably wouldn't have won if Hillary hadn't been such a terrible candidate. I don't see how that's very debatable when Trump won states that Obama had won just four years earlier.

I don't think most people vote for someone as a fuck you to anyone. They vote for someone because they think their candidate is better for themselves and the country than the other one.

Point is, maybe you're personalizing this too much.
Amen. I hated Trump. Hell, I left the republican party and registered independent in part because almost all of them fell in line behind trump. I voted the constitution party in the election. I never would have voted for trump. Had the democrats run a remotely palatable candidate I would have voted democrat. Hillary being awful had a lot to do with trump winning.
 

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Amen. I hated Trump. Hell, I left the republican party and registered independent in part because almost all of them fell in line behind trump. I voted the constitution party in the election. I never would have voted for trump. Had the democrats run a remotely palatable candidate I would have voted democrat. Hillary being awful had a lot to do with trump winning.
I'm looking forward to the return of sanity with the 2024 Haley/Crenshaw ticket
 

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Correct. People, at least on the conservative side, have grown tired of the career politician.
The republicans ran a pretty big number of candidates in 16. It was a lot like the democrats this time around, with Bernie getting all of the far, off-the-deep end left, amd the moderates splitting the majority of the rest so diffusely that Sanders was in front until the moderates consolidated behind Biden. The Republicans never consolidated so trump ran away with it, especially since they are generally winner take all primaries so early winners tend to snow ball.

The better candidates in 16 also had some PR issues unfortunately. Especially Cruz who came across as stiff and unlikeable. Hopefully that substantially changes by 2024 between his podcast and social media presence (he also probably needs a much better campaign manager). That guy should president some day.
 

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Got another for you Lost, what do you think about this claim by Trump:

"What do you have to lose? Take it," the president said in a White House briefing on Saturday. "I really think they should take it. But it's their choice. And it's their doctor's choice or the doctors in the hospital. But hydroxychloroquine. Try it, if you'd like."

Source: Scoop: Inside the epic White House fight over hydroxychloroquine

Any idea what the risks are with hydroxychloroquine?

Hard to believe there's nothing to lose
 

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Sooooo...a month into this thing and is it unanimous that this thing is for real? Or still just the fear du jour?

 

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Got another for you Lost, what do you think about this claim by Trump:

"What do you have to lose? Take it," the president said in a White House briefing on Saturday. "I really think they should take it. But it's their choice. And it's their doctor's choice or the doctors in the hospital. But hydroxychloroquine. Try it, if you'd like."

Source: Scoop: Inside the epic White House fight over hydroxychloroquine

Any idea what the risks are with hydroxychloroquine?

Hard to believe there's nothing to lose
Well sudden cardiac death if you have an undiagnosed heart condition. It’s a safe-ish drug if you get a screening EKG. I wouldnt prescribe it willy-nilly. But for admitted pt where we can monitor you, totally reasonable.

To use prophylactically is ridiculous. We don’t even know if it helps much less whether it will work to prevent A serious infection. Trump, and FoxNews, needs to shut the fuck up and follow the health expert’s leads on meds and treatments. If trump parroted Fauci rather than Fauci having to clean up his nonsense it would be much better.

As it is, I have worried well people coming in asking me to write them for hydroxychloroquine. Can’t think of a better way to run out of the stuff quick. Oh and possibly kill heathy people.
 
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