The Coronavirus Thread...

lostxn

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This is pretty much what I'm saying. Unless we shut down every state simultaneously as well as international travel for a month, we're not gonna make any progress. We can't shut off travel between states so people will flow from NYC, LA, CA, and WA and whatever hot spot you can imagine to less affected states. We see this to a lesser degree in Dallas county where we shut things down and the surrounding counties such as Collin county didn't. It's not like the populations don't freely intermingle.

We also HAVE to get testing up and running and make it FREE. We are totally flying blind. I know we're talking about infected people in Texas but I'm sending home 3-5 for every one I test. We're only testing people who get admitted because we're so limited on tests. The public testing centers aren't testing everybody either. To make things worse, the test we're using is 70% sensitive and takes a minimum 24 hours to get back.

Ughhh...I'm just repeating myself but I feel like the little Dutch boy. A very, very small cog in the wheel in a machine that's just not working effectively to beat this thing.
 

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You want to engage in personal attacks and disrespect me and what I do and expect a different response? Fuck you.
All I said was that you didn't know me. And YOU are the one that started the personal attack bullshit.

Nodak said:
And who says my family is not at risk? Do you know me?
lostxn said:
Spare me whatever self-servicing bullshit is about to come out of your mouth. Seriously. I'm heading off to work.
So, like I said... Go fuck yourself, you pretend internet man of importance.
 
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Timeline: How Donald Trump responded to the coronavirus pandemic

By Jon GreenbergMarch 20, 2020

IF YOUR TIME IS SHORT
  • After the disease was in Washington state and the World Health Organization reported a high global risk, Trump said there were no worries of a pandemic.
  • The day the stock market plummeted, Trump said the virus was very much under control in the U.S., and the stock market was looking pretty good to him.
  • A few days after declaring a national emergency, Trump said he had “always known” this was a pandemic. (That’s Pants on Fire.)

In the span of three months, Americans went from hearing about a new virus in central China to being told they ought to stay home and avoid groups larger than 10. President Donald Trump went from telling people not to worry and everything was under control to leading daily press conferences on containing the outbreak in the United States.

The rapidly evolving story can be broken down into three phases: the emergence of the threat, the government’s focus on keeping it out of the United States, and finally, its efforts to contain the spread.

Here are the key moments in each phase, and what Trump said at those times — fact-checked.

Phase One: The disease emerges
Dec. 31: China confirms existence of a new virus.
Jan. 20: World Health Organization reports cases in China, Thailand, Japan, and South Korea.
Jan. 21: The first U.S. case is announced in Washington state (as well as Vietnam and Singapore). WHO says the virus risk globally is high.
Jan. 22: A reporter asks if there are worries about a pandemic. Trump responds:
"No. Not at all. And we have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s — going to be just fine."
Jan. 24: Trump tweets, "It will all work out well."

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China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!

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Jan 29: The White House forms a coronavirus response task force, initially led by Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar.
Jan. 30: The WHO declares a global health emergency.

Phase Two: Keeping it out of the United States
Jan. 30:
Trump blocks travel from China.
The same night, he holds a campaign rally in Iowa.
"We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five. ... we think it’s going to have a very good ending for it."
Feb. 2: Trump tells Fox News host Sean Hannity, "We pretty much shut it down coming in from China."
Feb. 4: Diamond Princess cruise ship quarantined in Yokohama, Japan. Over 2,600 guests and over 1,000 crew. Within two days, over 40 people test positive for COVID-19, including eight Americans.
Feb. 11: WHO names the new disease COVID-19.
Feb 14: Trump discusses the "very small" number of U.S. coronavirus cases with Border Patrol Council members:
"We have a very small number of people in the country, right now, with it. It’s like around 12. Many of them are getting better. Some are fully recovered already. So we’re in very good shape."
Feb. 20: WHO reports nearly 77,000 cases worldwide in 27 countries.
Feb. 24: Stock market plummets as Dow Jones Industrials falls more than 1,000 points.
The same day, Trump asks for $1.25 billion in emergency aid. It grows to $8.3 billion in Congress.He tweets that the virus "is very much under control" and the stock market "starting to look very good to me!"

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The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!

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Feb. 26: The first case emerges in California with no clear source, suggesting community spread of the virus.
In a news conference that day, Trump says the United States is "really prepared." He puts Vice President Mike Pence in charge of the White House task force.
Feb. 28: Cases rise across Europe, including Italy, Germany, France, England, Switzerland and Belarus.


Phase Three: Containing the spread
Feb. 29:
FDA eases guidelines to speed the broader use of testing.
March 4: House passes $8.3 billion emergency bill, aimed mainly at the immediate health response to the virus.
In a Fox News interview, Trump deflects criticism to his response by saying the Obama administration (including the vice president, Joe Biden) "didn't do anything about" swine flu. We rated the claim False.
Trump continues to blame the Obama administration in an exchange with reporters at the White House.
"The Obama administration made a decision on testing that turned out to be very detrimental to what we’re doing."
Our fact-check shows the process dated back to 2006, before Obama took office. So the claim is False.
March 6: Grand Princess cruise ship with over 2,000 passengers waits to dock off the California coast.
Asked about the docking of the Grand Princess, Trump says the following:
"I would rather (Grand Princess passengers stay aboard) because I like the numbers being where they are. I don’t need to have the numbers double because of one ship."
Trump went on to say that he thought it was more important for passengers to debark than to keep the numbers down.
In a news conference, Trump downplays the concerns around testing:
"Anybody that wants a test can get a test."
With tests in short supply, we rated the claim Pants on Fire.
The same day, Trump tweets out blame to the media and the Democrats for trying to "inflame" the situation "far beyond what the facts would warrant."

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The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant. Surgeon General, “The risk is low to the average American.”

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March 11: On the same day the WHO declares COVID-19 a pandemic, Trump uses a prime-time Oval Office address to announce a ban on travel for non-Americans from most of Europe. He misstates a freeze on cargo and falsely said the health insurance industry has "agreed to waive all co-payments for coronavirus treatments." In reality, getting tested would be free, but treatment would not be covered.
March 13: Trump declares a national emergency to access $50 billion for states and territories, and clear the way for fast-track waivers for hospitals and doctors as they respond to the virus.
March 14: The House passes a worker and business relief bill with paid leave guarantees for certain workers, expanded food assistance and unemployment insurance benefits, and employer tax credits. Trump signs it four days later.
March 17: Trump said in a news conference that for the next 14 days, "we’re asking everyone to work at home, if possible, postpone unnecessary travel, and limit social gatherings to no more than 10 people."
Trump says there was no shift in tone from the White House.
"I've always known this is a real, this is a pandemic. I've felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic."
As this timeline shows, Trump minimized the threat of a pandemic for many weeks. Pants on Fire!
Asked if the World Health Organization had offered detection tests to the United States, Trump said WHO had not, and that the WHO coronavirus test "was a bad test." False. WHO said three independent labs had validated the test, and the White House coordinator for coronavirus response said she assumed the WHO test is effective.
March 19: The U.S. Senate unveils a $1 trillion-plus economic stimulus package. California orders lockdown for 40 million residents.
March 20-23: New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo orders all non-essential businesses to keep their workers home. Indiana, Louisiana, Ohio, Illinois and many other states issue similar restrictions.
March 24: Having tweeted on the economic shutdown that "we cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself," Trump says in a Fox News town hall he would "love to have the country opened up, and just raring to go by Easter."
Trump responds to a request from Cuomo for ventilators, reading from papers in his hand:
"(He) rejected buying recommended 16,000 ventilators in 2015 for the pandemic, for a pandemic, established death panels and lotteries instead. So, he had a chance to buy, in 2015, 16,000 ventilators at a very low price, and he turned it down."
False. A state study said that many might be needed in a crisis, but it also said there were immediate pressing health needs, and there was no money to buy that many ventilators.
That evening, Dr. Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, tells Fox News that Trump is flexible on economic restrictions: "The president clearly listens. I mean, he has this aspirational goal of hoping that we might be able to do it by a certain date. We talked with him about that. We say we need to be flexible. He realizes that and he accepts that."
March 27: Trump signs $2.2 trillion emergency spending bill. The act provides $1,200 per individual and $500 per child for households making up to $150,000 a year. Small businesses are eligible for loans — that can be forgiven — from a $377 billion fund. There’s a $454 billion fund for companies and state and local governments, and $180 billion for the health care sector. The details for families and small businesses are here. Details for corporations, states and health care, here.
Phase Four: Shifting expectations
March 29: Trump reverses course on relaxing strict stay-at-home guidance by Easter and extends the period to the end of April.
"The peak, the highest point of death rates — remember this — is likely to hit in two weeks," he said. "Nothing would be worse than declaring victory before the victory is won. That would be the greatest loss of all."
In the press conference, he argues with "PBS NewsHour" reporter Yamiche Alcindor over what the president had said, or hadn’t said, about New York’s need for ventilators. Trump falsely denied saying that governors were requesting equipment they didn’t need.
March 30: Cases top 163,000. The number of tests crosses the 1 million mark, still behind where the country needs to be. Trump tells Fox News:
"We inherited a broken test" for COVID-19.
Trump’s impossible claim is Pants on Fire. There could be no test before the new virus emerged. China first confirmed its existence Dec. 31, 2019, and shared its genetic sequence Jan. 7. The CDC’s first shipment of tests to states contained tainted reagents. That and bureaucratic delays cost the U.S. several critical weeks in testing.
March 31: Trump asks Americans to be prepared for the "hard days that lie ahead."
"This is going to be a very painful — very, very painful two weeks," he said. "When you look and see at night the kind of death that's been caused by this invisible enemy, it's — it's incredible."
The coronavirus death toll reaches about 3,700.
 

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Yeah...you mixed up two very different stats together.

1. ~80% refers to age of infected in El Paso County, but no deaths thus far.

2. Seventy deaths in state of Texas, but age demographics is unknown.
That’s correct.
 

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Every country in the world -- especially every western country -- is experiencing a disaster with this. Is every leader a Trumpian idiot? I don't see how anyone can honestly claim things would be much different if Obama or Hillary or anyone else on the left were president right now. Especially since we have their tweets to go back and look at. Biden, Bernie, DeBlasio, Pelosi, all of them have tweets and comments that look terrible in retrospect.

This is simply a bigger problem than anyone was equipped to handle. This is not a perfect world and sometimes bad things happen that aren't the fault of the government.
 

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Can't remember if I had posted this anywhere, but this is some funny shit. :lol

 

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Testing has been problematic from the start with this virus. There wasn’t any clear and systematic way to test people at the onset and it’s still a selective process to my knowledge. There are limited tests in the medical community and they are very selective as to who can be tested.

My Grandson is working on this aspect at the Duke University labs but the FDA guidelines are very restrictive and will not relent on the process and as a result testing is still problematic for the medical community. It would seem to me that any system that will test should be utilized because to my knowledge there are no downsides to testing.
 

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This is staged. Just happens to hit his head on a nice fluffy pillow.
The last one looks to be staged, but the rest of them don't.
 

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Just found out my mom (who is a nurse) will be travelling around the country helping out in clinics. This scares the living hell out of me. She is 70.
 

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Every country in the world -- especially every western country -- is experiencing a disaster with this. Is every leader a Trumpian idiot? I don't see how anyone can honestly claim things would be much different if Obama or Hillary or anyone else on the left were president right now. Especially since we have their tweets to go back and look at. Biden, Bernie, DeBlasio, Pelosi, all of them have tweets and comments that look terrible in retrospect.

This is simply a bigger problem than anyone was equipped to handle. This is not a perfect world and sometimes bad things happen that aren't the fault of the government.
Especially when China was lying and had the WHO covering for them

 

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I think this thread needed lightening up. Too much damn tension in here.
Then you go to the Feel Good Thread.

We must maintain order throughout this crisis.
 
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