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Listen to this line of questioning. It solves this entire charade in 5 minutes.


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Tell me this, how can obstruction of Justice even be considered if the underlying crime was never committed in the first place?
 

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Tell me this, how can obstruction of Justice even be considered if the underlying crime was never committed in the first place?
Damn good question. The answer is, you can’t. Period. This circus was out on as a grasping for straws attempt to unseat someone they don’t like. They do that with everyone, though. It’s just much easier to yell down joe public. A little harder with a sitting president, especially when you know you have nothing and have to make shit up as you go along.
 

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I rewatched the hearings from yesterday again today, and my word, I don’t understand how the Democrats thought it was a good idea to put Meuller out there to be exposed. Someone had to warn the democrats that it wasn’t in their best interest to trot Meuller out there.

I saw a confused man who not only didn’t Author the report, at least largely, but shockingly didn’t read it either. The dude was clueless on much of the content brought up by both sides.

The only time I noticed a rise out of him was when someone mentioned Andrew Weissman, I wonder what in the hell thats about? It’s like he wasn’t going to let anyone talk bad about Andy Weissman, no way.
 

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Damn good question. The answer is, you can’t. Period. This circus was out on as a grasping for straws attempt to unseat someone they don’t like. They do that with everyone, though. It’s just much easier to yell down joe public. A little harder with a sitting president, especially when you know you have nothing and have to make shit up as you go along.
I hate to sound so partisan (literally.... I despise posting political stuff of any kind on facebook), but obstruction of justice is barely a crime.

It's a catch-all. It's something they use to charge people they don't like or can't get on other charges. It's like "disorderly conduct." It can mean fucking anything.

So of course they found no collusion with Russia but "couldn't answer" whether he was guilty of obstruction or not. They wanted him to be guilty of obstruction badly, but....

a) We don't even 100% know if a President can be charged with a crime at all, but the majority of evidence suggests he cannot.

b) Since the President actually is the one conducting the investigation, since he heads the department, the investigation necessarily rides on his whims and he can end it at any time. If you think the President committed a crime, impeach him, then investigate him when he's no longer in charge of the investigation. So we also really have no solid theory that the President can actually obstruct justice.

c) While it is possible to obstruct justice when no underlying crime was committed, surely the President's knowledge that no underlying crime had been committed weighs heavily in any analysis of this instance, since he can persuasively (and probably truthfully) argue that ending what he knew (and was proven to be correct about) was a witch-hunt outweighed any further chasing down rabbit holes by a biased Justice Department (ie, ending public corruption supercedes a phony investigation, so he had no attempt to obstruct "justice" - he intended to obstruct the miscarriage of justice. "Justice" is not defined per se by the statute). They cannot meet the "intent" aspect of the crime.

d) Even if, after all that, one still thinks that the President COULD be found to have obstructed justice, the level of which he is alleged to have obstructed (suggesting Comey end certain investigations but not demanding it, firing Comey but appointing another FBI director who continued the investigation, wanting to fire Mueller but not doing it, and tweeting mean things all the time), is superceded by every politician in office today literally all the time.... every time they refuse a subpoena or grease the wheels of an investigation or criminal process by pulling favors. It simply does not rise to the level of what obstruction of justice traditionally means in it's less "catch all" formats, ie, witness tampering or destroying evidence

It's a joke.

It's basically saying he exerted pressure on his own justice department (but never carried through an order demanding it), which he's legally the boss of and in charge of, to end an investigation that he knew would find nothing.... was obstructing justice.
 

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I hate to sound so partisan (literally.... I despise posting political stuff of any kind on facebook), but obstruction of justice is barely a crime.

It's a catch-all. It's something they use to charge people they don't like or can't get on other charges. It's like "disorderly conduct." It can mean fucking anything.

So of course they found no collusion with Russia but "couldn't answer" whether he was guilty of obstruction or not. They wanted him to be guilty of obstruction badly, but....

a) We don't even 100% know if a President can be charged with a crime at all, but the majority of evidence suggests he cannot.

b) Since the President actually is the one conducting the investigation, since he heads the department, the investigation necessarily rides on his whims and he can end it at any time. If you think the President committed a crime, impeach him, then investigate him when he's no longer in charge of the investigation. So we also really have no solid theory that the President can actually obstruct justice.

c) While it is possible to obstruct justice when no underlying crime was committed, surely the President's knowledge that no underlying crime had been committed weighs heavily in any analysis of this instance, since he can persuasively (and probably truthfully) argue that ending what he knew (and was proven to be correct about) was a witch-hunt outweighed any further chasing down rabbit holes by a biased Justice Department (ie, ending public corruption supercedes a phony investigation, so he had no attempt to obstruct "justice" - he intended to obstruct the miscarriage of justice. "Justice" is not defined per se by the statute). They cannot meet the "intent" aspect of the crime.

d) Even if, after all that, one still thinks that the President COULD be found to have obstructed justice, the level of which he is alleged to have obstructed (suggesting Comey end certain investigations but not demanding it, firing Comey but appointing another FBI director who continued the investigation, wanting to fire Mueller but not doing it, and tweeting mean things all the time), is superceded by every politician in office today literally all the time.... every time they refuse a subpoena or grease the wheels of an investigation or criminal process by pulling favors. It simply does not rise to the level of what obstruction of justice traditionally means in it's less "catch all" formats, ie, witness tampering or destroying evidence

It's a joke.

It's basically saying he exerted pressure on his own justice department (but never carried through an order demanding it), which he's legally the boss of and in charge of, to end an investigation that he knew would find nothing.... was obstructing justice.
Good stuff, Smitty.
 

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Tell me this, how can obstruction of Justice even be considered if the underlying crime was never committed in the first place?
The whole thing from the start was to create a circumstance of collusion and from that build a network within the FBI and Justice department to gather evidence of collusion and obstruction. What they didn’t count on was Comey’s stupid move of bring in his own verdict of insufficient evidence to prosecute the Hillary Clinton e-mail Investigation. That unraveled all the ground work for the Trump impeachment plan. They though they were on a solid track to make the Trump investigation a milk run for throwing him out of office with what ever they needed to create the obstruction evidence.
 

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Tell me this, how can obstruction of Justice even be considered if the underlying crime was never committed in the first place?
Pretty sure Trump reads the VIP thread cuz he pretty much made this statement verbatim today.

If I had to guess which of you are Trump, I’d guess angrymexy or whatever the name is.
 

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Pretty sure Trump reads the VIP thread cuz he pretty much made this statement verbatim today.

If I had to guess which of you are Trump, I’d guess angrymexy or whatever the name is.
~quickly calling secret service~
 

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This is fantastic. It gives Trump a clear case that he is not being given a fair election process. In short, you can't do this shit, California. It's unconstitutional. I swear to god Trump has single-handedly made these people lose their god damn minds.
 

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My President.
 

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TDS is for reals.
 

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That's actually pretty badass.
 

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That's actually pretty badass.
If he stands toe to toe with Big Pharma and makes this a focal part of his message, it most certainly is.

It is one of the few things he has pushed for that I find remarkable. He needs to follow through though.
 
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