President Trump Thread...

[Cotton]

Naw, but they are gassing peaceful, legal protestors so the moron-in-chief could get a photo-op clumsily lifting a bible in front of a church. The pastor of the church was one of the people gassed by the way.

Pretending the left has some monopoly on violence is a joke. Ask Heather Heyer. Ask the pizza-gate victims. There were 50 right wing extremists related killings in 2018. But hey, continue to post that bullshit.

There were 16,000 murders in 2018, and you’re talking about 50. Hell, there can be 50 just in Chicago in one damn weekend.

 

[lostxn]

There were 16,000 murders in 2018, and you’re talking about 50. Hell, there can be 50 just in Chicago in one damn weekend.

I don't follow your logic at all. Unless you just think Chicago is a Dem city so all people in Chicago who murder are Dems? Like what the fuck are you talking about? The great majority of murders have nothing to do with politics other than the gun control or drug legalization angles.

 

[bbgun]

Naw, but they are gassing peaceful, legal protestors so the moron-in-chief could get a photo-op clumsily lifting a bible in front of a church. The pastor of the church was one of the people gassed by the way.

The Park Police and Secret Service are Trumpies? Who knew? BTW, that historical church was recently vandalized again. So much for "peaceful" protest.

Pretending the left has some monopoly on violence is a joke. Ask Heather Heyer. Ask the pizza-gate victims. There were 50 right wing extremists related killings in 2018. But hey, continue to post that bullshit.

Someone died in Pizza Gate? Maybe they ate some bad anchovies or something. When conservatives loot, riot, vandalize, rape, tear down statues they don't like, or hijack major cities like Seattle, get back to me.

 

[lostxn]

It literally gets said clear as day at the very beginning of the video.

Well do you believe he is dumb or racist? Why do I have to choose just one...

 

[Cotton]

I don't follow your logic at all. Unless you just think Chicago is a Dem city so all people in Chicago who murder are Dems? Like what the fuck are you talking about? The great majority of murders have nothing to do with politics other than the gun control or drug legalization angles.

Chicago is a Democrat run cesspool. And, yes, the Dems cause way more murders than anything Republican controlled. Hell, just the people they release early from prison alone account for more more murders than these right wing groups you speak of.

 

[lostxn]

The Park Police and Secret Service are Trumpies? Who knew? BTW, that historical church was recently vandalized again. So much for "peaceful" protest.

Don't be disingenuous. There was no burning, looting, etc going on when those people got gassed. As for whether they are Trumpers, they are following his orders. Personally, I would have refused to follow those orders and would have resigned if put in that position. Of course, I probably would have resigned long before that rather than put myself in harms way to protect scum like Trump.

Someone died in Pizza Gate? Maybe they ate some bad anchovies or something. When conservatives loot, riot, vandalize, rape, tear down statues they don't like, or hijack major cities like Seattle, get back to me.

Timothy McVeigh blew up a government building. There have been burning of black churches. The Centennial Olympic Park bombing.

So, again you are incorrect - factually - in saying the left is more violent. By the way, I'm not even saying the opposite. I'm just saying extremists on both sides have more in common with each other than with moderates.

Here's a big list:

Right-wing terrorism

Year	Occurrence	Location	Victims Wounded*	Victims Killed*
* Count of "victims killed" and "victims wounded" excludes attackers.
2001	Post-September 11 shootings	Multiple	1	2
2003	Torture, abduction and murder	Salinas, California	0	1
2004	Bank robbery	Tulsa, Oklahoma	0	1
2006	Murder committed by John Ditullio		1	1
2007	Murder of homeless man by Aryan Soldiers		0	1
2008	Woodburn bank bombing	Woodburn, Oregon	2	2
2008	Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting	Knoxville, Tennessee	8	2
2009	Murder of sex offender by white supremacists	North Palm Springs, California	0	1
2009	Murder committed by Charles Francis Gaskins	Carmichael, California	0	1
2009	United States Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting	Washington, D.C.	1	1
2009	Assassination of George Tiller	Wichita, Kansas	1	1
2009	Murders of Raul and Brisenia Flores	Brockton, Massachusetts	1	2
2009	Shooting of Pittsburgh police officers	Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania	2	3
2010	Murder committed by Aryan Brotherhood members	Mississippi	0	1
2010	Shooting at bookstore cafe perpetrated by Ross William Muehlberger	Wichita Falls, Texas	4	1
2010	Murder of Todd Getgen[86][87]	Carlisle, Pennsylvania	0	1
2011	Tri-state killing spree by white supremacists David Pedersen and Holly Grigsby	Multiple		4
2011	FEAR group attacks	Georgia		3
2011	Murder of James Craig Anderson	Jackson, Mississippi	0	1
2012	Ambush attack against St. John the Baptist Parish police	St. John the Baptist Parish, Louisiana	2	2
2012	Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting	Oak Creek, Wisconsin	4	6
2013	Los Angeles International Airport shooting attack on TSA officer	Los Angeles, California	6	1
2013	Double murder committed by Jeremy Lee Moody and Christine Moody	Jonesville, South Carolina	0	2
2014	Attack on Pennsylvania State Police barracks	Blooming Grove, Pennsylvania	1	1
2014	Ambush attack on Las Vegas police officers	Las Vegas, Nevada		3
2014	Overland Park Jewish Community Center shooting	Overland Park, Kansas		3
2015	Shooting at a showing of the film Trainwreck	Lafayette, Louisiana	9	2
2015	Planned Parenthood shooting	Colorado Springs, Colorado	9	3
2015	Shooting attack on worshippers at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church	Charleston, South Carolina	1	9
2017	Murder of Richard Collins III	College Park, Maryland	0	1
2017	Car-ramming attack into counter-protesters at the white nationalist Unite the Right rally	Charlottesville, Virginia	19	1
2017	Portland train attack	Portland, Oregon	1	2
2017	Stabbing of Timothy Caughman	New York City, New York	0	1
2018	Tallahassee yoga studio shooting	Tallahassee, Florida	6	2
2018	Jeffersontown Kroger shooting	Jeffersontown, Kentucky	0	2
2018	Pittsburgh synagogue shooting	Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania	7	11
2018	Murder of Blaze Bernstein	Orange County, California	0	1
2018	Murder of MeShon Cooper-Williams	Kansas City, Missouri	0	1
2019	El Paso Walmart shooting	El Paso, Texas	23	23
2019	Poway synagogue shooting	Poway, California	3	1

 

[lostxn]

Chicago is a Democrat run cesspool. And, yes, the Dems cause way more murders than anything Republican controlled. Hell, just the people they release early from prison alone account for more more murders than these right wing groups you speak of.

I see. It is Dem policy that creates crime. Which is why nearly every big city in the country leans left. Because people who live in big cities embrace crime. If we just allowed the police to shoot people liberally and stop and frisk every off-white person in existence all crime would disappear.

It has nothing to do with the failed war on drugs (which is largely bipartisan), lack of opportunity for the middle class, decline of the American family, high cost of living, lack of healthcare, income inequality, poor education, etc etc etc. No it's because of Obamacare. Good analysis bucko.

 

[bbgun]

Don't be disingenuous. There was no burning, looting, etc going on when those people got gassed. As for whether they are Trumpers, they are following his orders. Personally, I would have refused to follow those orders and would have resigned if put in that position. Of course, I probably would have resigned long before that rather than put myself in harms way to protect scum like Trump.

The President is allowed to go from point A to point B safely. Was the Secret Service supposed to let him wade through thousands of protesters who hate his guts? That'd be insane. When you're ordered to disperse and you don't, this is what happens. Try not to turn a little pepper spray into Kent State part II.

Timothy McVeigh

blew up a government building. There have been burning of black churches. The Centennial Olympic Park bombing.

We're going all the way back to McVeigh, huh? I guess that means I can cite Lee Harvey Oswald. Much more recent examples of political violence would involve Rep. Scalise and Sen. Rand, but I guess that wouldn't fit your narrative.

So, again you are incorrect - factually - in saying the left is more violent. By the way, I'm not even saying the opposite. I'm just saying extremists on both sides have more in common with each other than with moderates.

Who's been more publicly violent in recent years? The Klan or media favorite Antifa?

 

[lostxn]

The President is allowed to go from point A to point B safely. Was the Secret Service supposed to let him wade through thousands of protesters who hate his guts? That'd be insane. When you're ordered to disperse and you don't, this is what happens. Try not to turn a little pepper spray into Kent State part II.

I think he should have stayed in the White House. There was no need for that photo op and assaulting protestors is not justified. If that was Obama ordering that against tea-party protestors, he would have been looking at impeachment and you would have been incensed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh

We're going all the way back to McVeigh, huh? I guess that means I can cite Lee Harvey Oswald. Much more recent examples of political violence would involve Rep. Scalise and Sen. Rand, but I guess that wouldn't fit your narrative.

Actually it would fit my narrative just fine if you had read it. I said the issue is on both sides. Oh wait, you didn't quote that part because it didn't fit the straw man fight you're trying to wage.

I brought up McVeigh because he blew up a building, it was the biggest act of domestic terrorism in US history, and it utterly demolished your argument.

Who's been more publicly violent in recent years? The Klan or media favorite Antifa?
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The Klan is virtually dead but a host of other dumbass groups made up of losers have sprouted up. Again, we can compare lists but it doesn't take away from the fact that there are issues on both sides. Again, I reiterate that the extremists have more in common with each other than they do the moderates.

Also, the RWM talks about Antifa WAY more than MSM does. They've made them some sort of boogeyman. I've never met one, I don't know them. Hell, my brother (lives in Chicago lol) is a Bernie-backing, AOC fan and he doesn't know any antifa and thinks they are assholes that step on the message as well.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Well do you believe he is dumb or racist? Why do I have to choose just one...

He isn't racist but does do a lot of dumb shit. People throw the term "racist" around way too carelessly.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I think he should have stayed in the White House. There was no need for that photo op and assaulting protestors is not justified. If that was Obama ordering that against tea-party protestors, he would have been looking at impeachment

First of all, I think Trump has the market cornered on bullshit impeachment attempts.

But in all honesty, if your work is surrounded by protestors and you have no safe way out? What do you do? Would you hide there forever? I mean we have to use a little common sense here? I don't want to stop any peaceful protests on public property but if protestors surround my car on the street I'm not cool just waiting in there until they peacefully decide to leave either.

 

[bbgun]

I think he should have stayed in the White House.

Then the terrorists protesters win. Bad precedent to set.

There was no need for that photo op and assaulting protestors is not justified.

Visiting a recently burned church that has hosted several Presidents over the years was a no-brainer, just like W visiting mosques in the wake of 9-11. The bible was a bit much, though.

If that was Obama ordering that against tea-party protestors, he would have been looking at impeachment and you would have been incensed.

Please don't mention the Tea Partiers, largely comprised of peaceful old duffers, in the same sentence with the vandals and race rioters.

Also, the RWM talks about Antifa WAY more than MSM does.

Because the MSM and Dem politicians won't. Duh.

 

[L.T. Fan]

I wonder why it is that older White males are the primary targets to be labeled Racist?

 

[jsmith6919]

I wonder why it is that older White males are the primary targets to be labeled Racist?

Easy pickings

 

[jsmith6919]

 

[boozeman]

Because the MSM and Dem politicians won't. Duh.

This has long been a tactic. Ignore the radical fringes because it gives legitimacy when acknowledged.

There is a reason why right wing media and Republican politicians don't go around dropping the names of alt-right groups a lot.

 

[jsmith6919]

This has long been a tactic. Ignore the radical fringes because it gives legitimacy when acknowledged.

There is a reason why right wing media and Republican politicians don't go around dropping the names of alt-right groups a lot.

Yes, those alt-right groups burning down cities, tearing down statues, setting up autonomous zones, and blocking(breaking windows of) traffic are a real problem :/

 

[lostxn]

I wonder why it is that older White males are the primary targets to be labeled Racist?

Frankly nearly the only times I hear people saying overtly racist things, it's old white men. Hell, I remember my grandparents saying things my parents would never say. Times have changed. Had an old white patient a few weeks ago tell me he was a young man he would be out shooting "n#!@#" if they tried to loot in Dallas. Embarrassing...

As for Trump, he's said a ton of racist shit about Muslims, black people, Hispanics over the years. It's all been well documented and I don't really want to argue specifics because it's tiresome.

According in an AP poll, fifty-seven percent of all adults, including more than 8 in 10 blacks, three-quarters of Hispanics and nearly half of whites, said they think Trump is racist. Eighty-five percent of Democrats consider Trump racist, but just 21 percent of Republicans agree.

 

[Sheik]

This has long been a tactic. Ignore the radical fringes because it gives legitimacy when acknowledged.

There is a reason why right wing media and Republican politicians don't go around dropping the names of alt-right groups a lot.

Wait a minute. So why do they release names of school shooters and mass shooters and go on and on about those tragedies? Isn’t this exactly what the experts say these killers count on? Exposure and validation? How many times have we had a tragic mass shooting and the perpetrator, his name, his picture are front page news?

They do it because it fires up their agenda machine. It’s convenient for them the same way it’s convenient to not comment on the shit that’s going on around the country right now. It’s politics. There’s no way in hell Pelosi, Schumer, or the MSM is going to scold their base in a presidential election year. Are you kidding me?

 

[Sheik]

I don’t know why that quoted bbgun and not Booze.