Micah Parsons Traded To Packers

[Cowboysrock55]

He's consistently near the top of pretty much every pass rush stat. It's silly to try to paint him as anything other than an elite pass rusher.

For example, last year he was 5th in sacks, 3rd in pressures, and 1st in hurries. (He was also 3rd in ESPN'S pass rush win rate if you believe in that sort of thing.)

Despite missing 4 games.

The dude is almost unblockable as a pass rusher. And his impact on our defense while he is on the field verse off the field is obvious to the naked eye.

That's not some sort of Cowboys fan overhype. I totally agree with you. Sure there are warts but in terms of pass rush, to act like he is overhyped is just silly. We can talk about the concerns with Parsons and there are concerns but the dude is gone and we will just see what happens with the Packers going forward.

 

[ravidubey]

The dude is almost unblockable as a pass rusher. And his impact on our defense while he is on the field verse off the field is obvious to the naked eye.

That's not some sort of Cowboys fan overhype. I totally agree with you. Sure there are warts but in terms of pass rush, to act like he is overhyped is just silly. We can talk about the concerns with Parsons and there are concerns but the dude is gone and we will just see what happens with the Packers going forward.

Yes, but saying "in terms of pass rush" you're basically excluding the rest of the game, and even there Micah hasn't once reached the best in the league or come close to it, quite often petering out.

He's elite, but my objection is to the term "generational". That's essentially saying he's the best the last twenty years which is bullshit. Hence the Cowboy hype factor.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Yes, but saying "in terms of pass rush" you're basically excluding the rest of the game, and even there Micah hasn't once reached the best in the league or come close to it, quite often petering out.

He's elite, but my objection is to the term "generational". That's essentially saying he's the best the last twenty years which is bullshit. Hence the Cowboy hype factor.

Except you used sacks as a way to denigrate him, which is literally "in terms of pass rush."

 

[Bipo]

12 sacks per year would have been amazing if he were used the way he should have been, as a LB that rushed about 50% of the time like year one. That being said, I’ve never, ever seen an NFL pass rusher allowed to be held like parsons is.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

12 sacks per year would have been amazing if he were used the way he should have been, as a LB that rushed about 50% of the time like year one. That being said, I’ve never, ever seen an NFL pass rusher allowed to be held like parsons is.

So as a 3-4 OLBer I agree. As a 4-3 off the ball LBer I actually think Parsons has some weakness that would be exposed. He isn't good in pass coverage. He never has been. And I don't think he studies film hard enough to be one of these great off the ball LBers. What Parsons does best is run forward. Even in run defense he actually can be one hell of a player. His biggest problem is he relies entirely on his physical ability. So the man gets fooled too often. So I don't agree that he should have been playing off the ball LBer while rushing the passer 50% of the time.

Anyway, none of this really matters anymore. Either Parsons will dominate with the Packers as a pass rusher or the beating will catch up with him and we see a decline/injuries. My hope is that one of these young DE's on the roster can step up and give us 8-10 sacks and a consistent pass rush while being smarter against the run.

 

[ravidubey]

Except you used sacks as a way to denigrate him, which is literally "in terms of pass rush."

Because that's what he's supposed to be best at as a "generational" pass rusher (I also used those numbers to show he's been consistent and elite).

But he's not the NFL's best or "generational" in any dimension, at least not thus far.

As for other numbers, why bother when everyone already knows he's not the best run stopper or in coverage/picks or at forced fumbles (though he's better than most at FF's, even there he's still not as good as the elite pass rushers previously mentioned).

So you understand how I'm hating the term "generational" as it's being related to Micah? He's that in literally no dimension. You can still rank him with the other elite pass rushers, a couple of which are "generational".

 

[Chocolate Lab]

So you understand how I'm hating the term "generational" as it's being related to Micah? He's that in literally no dimension. You can still rank him with the other elite pass rushers, a couple of which are "generational".

"Generational" is one of those stupid terms that caught fire on social media and is now out of control. It's kind of like "GOAT." If it really means Greatest of All Time, fine, but people started using it to mean "really good" which obviously is totally different.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Because that's what he's supposed to be best at as a "generational" pass rusher (I also used those numbers to show he's been consistent and elite).

But he's not the NFL's best or "generational" in any dimension, at least not thus far.

As for other numbers, why bother when everyone already knows he's not the best run stopper or in coverage/picks or at forced fumbles (though he's better than most at FF's, even there he's still not as good as the elite pass rushers previously mentioned).

So you understand how I'm hating the term "generational" as it's being related to Micah? He's that in literally no dimension. You can still rank him with the other elite pass rushers, a couple of which are "generational".

I feel like you are too caught up in semantics.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

"Generational" is one of those stupid terms that caught fire on social media and is now out of control. It's kind of like "GOAT." If it really means Greatest of All Time, fine, but people started using it to mean "really good" which obviously is totally different.

Yeah Parsons is elite. But generational at least to me means at minimum a dude who would be the starter on an all decade team. That's a generational talent. Parson's isn't that yet. But then again he has only been in the NFL for 4 years. Hard to really define someone as a generational talent this early in their career. But I can see potential for it if he keeps this pace for the next 6 years.

 

[Simpleton]

I think generational means different things to different people, to me it could be used on a prospect who is arguably the best at their position in the last 5-10 years, or it could mean a clear 1st ballot HOF'er.

In that sense I think Parsons is probably going to end up being "generational" (probably a clear 1st ballot HOF'er), but he's often billed as "the next LT", in the conversation with guys like Reggie White, etc., and I just don't think that's the case unless he jumps up another level or two.

I don't think he'll even go down as the best edge rusher of his actual generation, if that's how you want to define generational, and I think he'll end up behind Garrett and maybe Watt/Bosa from his contemporaries.

 

[Genghis Khan]

But then again he has only been in the NFL for 4 years.

Exactly right.

 

[Simpleton]

Myles Garrett is actually the guy in the LT/Reggie White tier but he doesn't seem to get that hype because he's in Cleveland on mostly shitty teams. Parsons could end up there if he keeps ascending, but if he has another 4 years like his past 4 I don't think that's quite it.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Myles Garrett is actually the guy in the LT/Reggie White tier but he doesn't seem to get that hype because he's in Cleveland on mostly shitty teams. Parsons could end up there if he keeps ascending, but if he has another 4 years like his past 4 I don't think that's quite it.

Yeah Myles Garrett is screwed because he plays for a shitty team in a shitty market. But it also goes to show you that no matter how great a pass rusher is, they aren't adding that many wins to your win total at the end of the day. Defense is too much of a team sport and it's why I was ok trading Parsons. I just didn't like the return we got.

 

[Bipo]

 

[boozeman]

Kraft paid Brady handsomely the very same way.

 

[bbgun]

 

[Simpleton]

At the end of the day we didn't get enough value but it wasn't as bad as the over the top outrage that followed. It got completely blown out of proportion even if the underlying fact was true.

If they had managed it better (i.e. quietly tested what the market was weeks or months ahead of time), I think we could've maybe gotten two 1's and two 2's, although I think Clark roughly equates to a 3 so it's not drastically far off.

 

[Texas Ace]

Doesn't paint Micah in the greatest light.

He essentially ended up being a liar about wanting to be here, not needing to be the highest paid, just wanting to be treated fairly, being team first, etc.

He wanted top dollar and he never stepped in personally to put an end to this when he could have been compensated more than fairly.

That being said, Jerry dragging his fucking ass like he always does, refusing to get the agent involved, etc, and then "insisting," that it was about fixing the run defense - and worse, instead of maximizing Micah's return and then using excess assets to go find a good value DT, they decided to do it all in one move (laziness) and limited themselves to a trade with a team that could give them a serviceable DT -- all of that made the situation way worse. This was made all the more imperative in their mind because they were on the doorstep of the season because they didn't get proactive about solving this problem in advance!

If Jerry had involved Micah's agent back in March this could have been done before the draft.

Idiots.

Yup.

This pretty much sums it all up perfectly.

 

[Simpleton]

Another facet of all this is that if Micah had just taken the deal on the table, what was their plan at DT?

In hindsight they're making DT out to be a huge deal, which is true, but if Parsons had taken the deal would they have done anything besides cross their fingers and hope at DT? Pick up some schlub who got cut a week ago?

Really shows how half-assed these jokers are.

 

[Sheik]

I just heard Jerry beat stage 4 cancer thanks to some miracle drug bullshit.

I don’t understand what any of us did. Anyone wanna come clean?