Micah Parsons Traded To Packers

[Cowboysrock55]

This is what I've been saying for a while now, anybody pining over getting 2025 picks doesn't follow the draft stuff closely.

There are going to be 4-5 QBs over the next two years who are better prospects than Ward, and the 2027 class might have several legitimate "generational" prospects.

You have a guy who might be the best WR prospect since Calvin Johnson and two guys who will be Abdul Carter-level, if not better.

This past draft was supposed to be stocked at QB too. And when it was all said and done guys disappointed, sucked or returned to school. Its just not that easy to predict these things out. Every year at draft time we hear about the class not being great. Sorry if I'm not trusting that one of these classes actually is special compared to the next.

 

[Smitty]

Clark's a nice player but would have been nice as a free agent addition centerpiece.

As a centerpiece for Parsons it's a failure.

The two firsts are a good start but it's not enough on pure volume. Thus they only are "good enough," if they are both relative hits or one of them is a superstar.

I would think the best course of action is to utilize those picks to get your QB of the future.

 

[Simpleton]

This past draft was supposed to be stocked at QB too. And when it was all said and done guys disappointed, sucked or returned to school. Its just not that easy to predict these things out. Every year at draft time we hear about the class not being great. Sorry if I'm not trusting that one of these classes actually is special compared to the next.

Sure, but there are so many guys out there right now that you have to think at least 2-3 will end up being legitimate top 10 type prospects. Between Manning, Allar, Sellers, Klubnik, Nussmeier, Mendoza and Leavitt I'd be shocked if 2-3 didn't end up as legitimate top 10 types, and probably top 5 really.

Then there will inevitably be another 1-3 who come out of nowhere.

I also don't remember this past class ever being considered "stocked", the nitty gritty types never really had Sanders as a top 5 guy, it was kind of just a media-driven fever dream. Ward was never hyped for years, he kind of came out of nowhere, same with Dart.

 

[ravidubey]

Their DT's are terrible now without Clark against the run. Devonte Wyatt is a good interior rusher but he's basically a poor man's Osa at this point.

Wicked irony, unfortunately you can believe they will actually rebuild it the right way.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

the nitty gritty types never really had Sanders as a top 5 guy, it was kind of just a media-driven fever dream.

Honestly dudes like Ewers were talked about as first round talents too just like Sanders. And I refuse to believe that much really changes over the course of one season but the hype for players a year out is often way off.

 

[ravidubey]

I would think the best course of action is to utilize those picks to get your QB of the future.

On this we agree.

However, I don't think there was a trade partner out there willing to trade more AND kick in immediate and proven DT help.

Joe Fan and most of the media won't know who a guy like Clark is.

Those picks in those loaded future draft classes are worth more long term, like Simp has been saying.

Market price established by the Khalil Mack trade was two 1sts, a 3rd, and a conditional 6th.

Dallas got the 1sts (which thanks to Simp, I am appreciating more and more), the true centerpiece, and Clark instead of the rest.

I think by the time all is said and done (and health withstanding) that Kenny Clark able to impact 2025 right away and signed long term and with 0 signing bonus acceleration was worth more than a 3rd and conditional 6th. We'd have (over)paid a fortune for a starting DT in free agency.

Right now it doesn't look like a great trade on the surface, but football is about much more than the surface, it's about the trenches.

 

[boozeman]

 

[Smitty]

On this we agree.

However, I don't think there was a trade partner out there willing to trade more AND kick in immediate and proven DT help.

Joe Fan and most of the media won't know who a guy like Clark is.

Those picks in those loaded future draft classes are worth more long term, like Simp has been saying.

Market price established by the Khalil Mack trade was two 1sts, a 3rd, and a conditional 6th.

Dallas got the 1sts (which thanks to Simp, I am appreciating more and more), the true centerpiece, and Clark instead of the rest.

I think by the time all is said and done (and health withstanding) that Kenny Clark able to impact 2025 right away and signed long term and with 0 signing bonus acceleration was worth more than a 3rd and conditional 6th. We'd have (over)paid a fortune for a starting DT in free agency.

Right now it doesn't look that way on the surface, but football is about much more than the surface, it's about the trenches.

Yeah but the thing is you have to have the Clarks and the Parsons.

And it's kinda harder to find the Parsons. That doesn't mean the Clarks arent important but they are blue collar types.

You can't give away one to get the other and claim it's some sort of win.

If we got Kenny Clark a 23 year old I would feel a bit different because it would again signal rebuild and future.

Getting rid of Parsons is a huge setback.

Acquiring a 29 year old when you already weren't good enough and then made yourself worse with this move, that's a horrific inefficiency.

Clark is a necessary piece to have on a winner. Having a guy like that in his prime when the team is 3-4 years away is a waste. He's a zero value to us then. He offers nothing to us for WHEN WE CAN EXPECT TO BE GOOD.

Just another example of the GM not having a clue.

 

[Simpleton]

On this we agree.

However, I don't think there was a trade partner out there willing to trade more AND kick in immediate and proven DT help.

Joe Fan and most of the media won't know who a guy like Clark is.

Those picks in those loaded future draft classes are worth more long term, like Simp has been saying.

Market price established by the Khalil Mack trade was two 1sts, a 3rd, and a conditional 6th.

Dallas got the 1sts (which thanks to Simp, I am appreciating more and more), the true centerpiece, and Clark instead of the rest.

I think by the time all is said and done (and health withstanding) that Kenny Clark able to impact 2025 right away and signed long term and with 0 signing bonus acceleration was worth more than a 3rd and conditional 6th. We'd have (over)paid a fortune for a starting DT in free agency.

Right now it doesn't look like a great trade on the surface, but football is about much more than the surface, it's about the trenches.

The Raiders had to send the Bears back a 2 and 5 I believe, so ultimately they actually got less than two 1's for Mack.

 

[Simpleton]

Clark's a nice player but would have been nice as a free agent addition centerpiece.

As a centerpiece for Parsons it's a failure.

The two firsts are a good start but it's not enough on pure volume. Thus they only are "good enough," if they are both relative hits or one of them is a superstar.

I would think the best course of action is to utilize those picks to get your QB of the future.

I said something similar yesterday, Clark will be a nice player and if we had signed him for 2/25 or something in the offseason that would've been a good signing.

But only getting two (probably late) 1's alongside just him is meh.

 

[boozeman]

 

[ravidubey]

The Packers have traded away their future and one of the anchors of their defense.

This trade pays off for them only if they become perennial Superbowl contenders with Micah making significant plays down the stretch in each season.

Clock's ticking

 

[shane]

The Packers have traded away their future and one of the anchors of their defense.

This trade pays off for them only if they become perennial Superbowl contenders with Micah making significant plays down the stretch in each season.

Clock's ticking

They have a generational talent. Losing a couple of very late 1st rounders won't even phase them. They always seem to get great value in later rounds anyway.

 

[boozeman]

 

[boozeman]

 

[Cowboysrock55]

This was a move to not make the playoffs.

This spin by Jerry is just total horseshit. I mean you aren't fooling anyone into thinking that this move was about trading Parson's for Kenny Clark. FFS. If your goal was to get better this year you could have traded Parsons for about any stud DT in their prime.

 

[Rev]

This was a move to not make the playoffs.

This spin by Jerry is just total horseshit. I mean you aren't fooling anyone into thinking that this move was about trading Parson's for Kenny Clark. FFS. If your goal was to get better this year you could have traded Parsons for about any stud DT in their prime.

Nobody should be buying it. Its horseshit. If DT was so important there were 2 top ones available at pick 12. Also I'm sure something could have been addressed in FA even if it wasnt the top ones.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Nobody should be buying it. Its horseshit. If DT was so important there were 2 top ones available at pick 12. Also I'm sure something could have been addressed in FA even if it wasnt the top ones.

It's just funny to hear him talk like the first round picks were just a kicker in the deal. No Kenny Clark was the kicker in the deal. And I feel kind of bad for Clark because he isn't a savior. He is just a good veteran player. But trading Parsons for him will never look like a good idea and trying to portray it that way is going to lead Joe fan into being disappointed in Kenny Clark if he isn't a 7 sack probowl DT.

Anyway here is to hoping Love gets knocked out and Parsons fake back injury becomes real. Because thats the only way those picks crack the top 20.

 

[ravidubey]

Yeah but the thing is you have to have the Clarks and the Parsons.

And it's kinda harder to find the Parsons. That doesn't mean the Clarks arent important but they are blue collar types.

You can't give away one to get the other and claim it's some sort of win.

If we got Kenny Clark a 23 year old I would feel a bit different because it would again signal rebuild and future.

Getting rid of Parsons is a huge setback.

Acquiring a 29 year old when you already weren't good enough and then made yourself worse with this move, that's a horrific inefficiency.

Clark is a necessary piece to have on a winner. Having a guy like that in his prime when the team is 3-4 years away is a waste. He's a zero value to us then. He offers nothing to us for WHEN WE CAN EXPECT TO BE GOOD.

Just another example of the GM not having a clue.

All teams are 3-4 years away. Case in point: the Eagles almost completely turned their team over in between Superbowl runs.

They won without a Micah Parsons type (or even a great passer) because they have kept up the OL, have Jalen Carter (and had Fletcher Cox), and could add plugin free agents at Edge. Their QB is without a doubt worse than ours, and they still won because of the trenches.

Clark can make the talented kids we've added already-- Osa, Overshown, Ez, Williams, Bland, Hooker, Loofa, Kneeland, maybe Diggs-- all directly better. Micah mainly helped the CB's, but Clark helps them all.

Of the premier positions in QB, WRs, Edge, IDL, CB, LT, and IOL--- Dallas has all now except the proven Edge (depending on Dak). They also have a good number of young talented players at Edge who are yet unproven-- so it's not like the cupboard is empty. We are not 3-4 years away, more like 1-2 if things break right.

They have a crippling weakness at RB and could always use a couple of other playmakers.

Dallas now has 4 1st round picks in the next two drafts to address those limitations. Green Bay doesn't, they must WIN NOW (without the IDL).

 

[ravidubey]

Joe fan into being disappointed in Kenny Clark if he isn't a 7 sack probowl DT.

Do we GAS what Joe Fan or ESPN has to say?

And Clark DID make the probowl in 2019, 2021, and 2023 (when he had 7.5, not 7 sacks). He was dinged in 2024, but that is a good track record.