Gregory and Schultz

[Cotton]

I’d rather Cooper Lamb Gallup Jarwin but I suspect we can have Schultz too.

WTF are you people talking about this Jarwin nonsense? DO some of you even watch the games.

(ironic that this is a reply to Smitty)

 

[boozeman]

WTF are you people talking about this Jarwin nonsense? DO some of you even watch the games.

(ironic that this is a reply to Smitty)

Jarwin is a trick play guy. They try to squeeze snaps in here and there, but he is buried in terms of the overall gameplan.

I still don't get why they were so eager to lock him up early. What kind of hippy voodoo shit did he pull?

 

[data]

I’m beginning to hate the hard cap.

They should transition to a soft cap.

I think there should be a discount, say 15%, awarded to the team that drafted the player when it comes to the actual contract vs money counting against the cap. Should be a reward for drafting

 

[p1_]

Jarwin is a trick play guy. They try to squeeze snaps in here and there, but he is buried in terms of the overall gameplan.

I still don't get why they were so eager to lock him up early. What kind of hippy voodoo shit did he pull?

Reduced to gadget status.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

WTF are you people talking about this Jarwin nonsense? DO some of you even watch the games.

(ironic that this is a reply to Smitty)

I don't think anyone is saying Jarwin is better than Schultz. Just that they feel better with Jarwin starting than whoever we would have at RE without Gregory.

Most of us would love both back. And frankly it can be figured out. Restructure, cut Jarwin and Anthony Brown and you've got plenty of money suddenly. Hell I guarantee Martin gets restructured. He make more next year than he does in the following 2 years of his contract.

 

[Cotton]

I don't think anyone is saying Jarwin is better than Schultz. Just that they feel better with Jarwin starting than whoever we would have at RE without Gregory.

Most of us would love both back. And frankly it can be figured out. Restructure, cut Jarwin and Anthony Brown and you've got plenty of money suddenly. Hell I guarantee Martin gets restructured. He make more next year than he does in the following 2 years of his contract.

This is my point. Fuck Jarwin. You keep Dalton at all costs. And keeping Jarwin is stupid. My god. Do not do this, DCC. You hang on to your star TE even if it means getting rid of Gallup. But, I don't think we will have to do either.

 

[data]

I don't think anyone is saying Jarwin is better than Schultz. Just that they feel better with Jarwin starting than whoever we would have at RE without Gregory.

Most of us would love both back. And frankly it can be figured out. Restructure, cut Jarwin and Anthony Brown and you've got plenty of money suddenly. Hell I guarantee Martin gets restructured. He make more next year than he does in the following 2 years of his contract.

I hope this post comes to fruition because Schultz is becoming the hardcore-only Cowboys fan favorite, kinda like Tony Tolbert or K-Mart.

 

[Smitty]

WTF are you people talking about this Jarwin nonsense? DO some of you even watch the games.

(ironic that this is a reply to Smitty)

I mean I’d rather keep Gallup than Schultz, not that I’d rather Jarwin than Schultz. Just that if I have to lose one of Gallup or Schultz, I keep Gallup and by extension Jarwin gets the spot.

But again I think we can get both.

 

[jsmith6919]

I mean I’d rather keep Gallup than Schultz, not that I’d rather Jarwin than Schultz. Just that if I have to lose one of Gallup or Schultz, I keep Gallup and by extension Jarwin gets the spot.

But again I think we can get both.

I don't agree, I think the dropoff from Schultz to Jarwin is bigger than the one from Gallup to Wilson

 

[ZeroClub]

I don't hate Jarwin, but he doesn't fit this offense as well as he once did. A few years ago, with high confidence in the OL, the coaches and front office were open to trading some physicality at TE for a TE who could stretch the field more. It wasn't a crazy idea. Dak and Jarwin had a good thing developing.

But then you lose your starting OTs, sometimes just one, often times both, and this at the same time that you don't feel great about LG and C. In that context, it doesn't makes sense to play a mediocre blocker at TE because he's above average at going deep. It's a luxury the team can't afford. Most teams can't.

Schultz fits the current offense better than Jarwin. Schultz is performing very well, but I don't think he's a special talent or would be so difficult to replace. Jarwin isn't the right replacement, though. You need a well-rounded, versatile guy who can block and who can catch. The replacement doesn't have to be spectacular to be very successful in this offense.

To me, the more interesting question is the trade off between Gallup and Wilson. Both fit this offense, but they have different strengths. In the playoffs, with the game on the line, who do you need more?

 

[UncleMilti]

Sorry I don’t break the bank on Gregory. Age and the weed situation would seem to be the issue with any type of contract structure IMO. If Dallas can structure around those 2 issues then yeah sign him. But we know the Jer.…it’s probably going to be something stupid like Jaylon or Zeke.

 

[UncleMilti]

I don't hate Jarwin, but he doesn't fit this offense as well as he once did. A few years ago, with high confidence in the OL, the coaches and front office were open to trading some physicality at TE for a TE who could stretch the field more. It wasn't a crazy idea. Dak and Jarwin had a good thing developing.

But then you lose your starting OTs, sometimes just one, often times both, and this at the same time that you don't feel great about LG and C. In that context, it doesn't makes sense to play a mediocre blocker at TE because he's above average at going deep. It's a luxury the team can't afford. Most teams can't.

Schultz fits the current offense better than Jarwin. Schultz is performing very well, but I don't think he's a special talent or would be so difficult to replace. Jarwin isn't the right replacement, though. You need a well-rounded, versatile guy who can block and who can catch. The replacement doesn't have to be spectacular to be very successful in this offense.

To me, the more interesting question is the trade off between Gallup and Wilson. Both fit this offense, but they have different strengths. In the playoffs, with the game on the line, who do you need more?

Shultz seems to come up with clutch catches, and seems to be open when you need him to be. I don’t buy it’s all scheme, and with that I keep him over Jarwin.

 

[p1_]

Sorry I don’t break the bank on Gregory. Age and the weed situation would seem to be the issue with any type of contract structure IMO. If Dallas can structure around those 2 issues then yeah sign him. But we know the Jer.…it’s probably going to be something stupid like Jaylon or Zeke.

I dont think Gregory shoots the moon, he's too grateful to Jer for the many opportunities given when weed was outlawed. Gregory is 28 and in prime form, the perfect complement to DLaw and his fat contract. DLaw, Gregory and Parsons coming for your QB, just wow.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Shultz seems to come up with clutch catches, and seems to be open when you need him to be. I don’t buy it’s all scheme, and with that I keep him over Jarwin.

In a lot of ways Schultz reminds me of young Witten. He doesn't blow you away with his speed and athletic ability but every time you look up he is catching a first down or making a play. He also blocks well and is the complete package.

Not saying he is the next Witten but just similar style of players. They know how to sit down in zones, carry out blocks, fake blocks and just get open.

Dak has like an insane 130+ QB rating when throwing to Schultz. So yeah I want to keep him around. Probably even more so than Gallup who I also love.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I dont think Gregory shoots the moon, he's too grateful to Jer for the many opportunities given when weed was outlawed. Gregory is 28 and in prime form, the perfect complement to DLaw and his fat contract. DLaw, Gregory and Parsons coming for your QB, just wow.

All the weed, suspensions and that stuff aside, I may prefer Gregory to Lawrence at this point on pure talent...

 

[Genghis Khan]

Dak and Jarwin had a good thing developing.

Dak has more of a good thing with Schultz right now - by far - than he ever had with Jarwin.

 

[Rev]

All the weed, suspensions and that stuff aside, I may prefer Gregory to Lawrence at this point on pure talent...

Then you are in the same situation as you are now. Keep them both and look for Lawrence replacement.

 

[p1_]

Then you are in the same situation as you are now. Keep them both and look for Lawrence replacement.

This. I can’t recall when Lawrence was last paired with a competent wingman.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Then you are in the same situation as you are now. Keep them both and look for Lawrence replacement.

Yeah you can't cut Lawrence with his contract anyway. Just thinking out loud. But yeah it's probably time to start looking for his replacement unless Golston develops into it. Nothing against Lawrence I still like him and want him opposite Gregory. But his cap figures for the next few years are pretty ugly. 27 mil next season I think? After that is the year to cut him when you can save 18 mil on the cap.

 

[Simpleton]

DE/edge rusher is one of my top priorities in the draft this year anyway so it's natural to be thinking of moving away from Lawrence in a year or two, which would open up a huge amount of space.

That's why I said earlier that we just need to keep our top guys now, do whatever it takes to manipulate the cap for the next 12-24 months, and then let the rest work itself out through attrition/cuts.

Lawrence only has 2 years left on his deal anyway, one option might be to extend him at a significantly lower rate (10-15/year), with the carrot being more guaranteed money, and the benefit to the team being that we could tack another 3-4 years onto his deal and spread his cap hits out over several more years.

In effect we'd be taking the 2 years remaining on his deal (with cap hits of 27 and 29 million), tacking on 3/45 on top of that (which is mostly a bargain for a player of his caliber) and then taking his 2022 base salary of 19 million and spreading it out over 5 years.

Obviously Lawrence would have to be on board, which I'd assume he would be given that he's injured right now and he'd be getting more guaranteed money, but by doing that we could save at least $13-15 million against the 2022 cap alone.