Garrett Watch Thread...

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I look forward to Schmitty coming in to chastise you for this. I mean, you don't know Jerry Jones personally. You really can't know if he's truly a piece of shit or not.
That only applies to Garrett
 

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Campbell is near the top of the list for me but I think Roman is probably my top choice as far as NFL assistant-types. He's had great success calling plays with two separate organizations, and I assume he'd bring a hard-nosed culture coming from the Ravens and Harbaugh's 49ers.

I'd also love to get some Baltimore assistants in here, as well as hopefully a Ravens-type philosophy as far as defense and personnel go.

Conversely, I'd love to get some of the Saints DNA injected into this organization so that's what I'd hope we'd be getting from Campbell and his staff.
 

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When multiple players came out and said they were given completely different playbooks after Wade was fired, that told me all I needed to know about the situation. The offense looked as different as night and day. I can understand changing a few things. But a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLAYBOOK? In the middle of a season? Riiiiiight.
You have no idea why that happened, you are only speculating. It makes just as much sense to me that he'd do it to save his own job, ie, let's try something radically different because the ship is sinking, or because Wade (or Jerry) insisted on something different. It's all speculation and there is no basis to assume a motive.

Especially when if you stop and think about it for a second, there was no reason to sabotage Wade, since it was already obvious Garrett was the chosen coach in waiting.

And yeah... As far as him being an "accountability-skirting loser", all you have to do is pay attention over the years. Garrett rarely if ever (I can't remember a time) took any personal responsibility for anything. But there was always a convenient player or coach to deflect blame towards.
Yeah, I don't agree with that. I'm not gonna go back and dig through 150 post game press conferences though. But my recollection is that he frequently said "we have to do this better," and I think that includes himself. If you are looking for a "throw himself on the sword" moment, it may not be there, but that doesn't mean he's not taking accountability, it's a rhetorical style that is simply pointless to demand out of a press conference, as again, they are completely meaningless and their only purpose is fan service. Not like Bill Parcells frequently said it was his fault, and he also frequently called out players. It's all a matter of degrees, it's not just black and white like is being stated here.
 

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I think he's not concerned because he already has someone lined up.
Well... Jason Witten towards the end of the game was walking around shaking everyone's hand, like it was a goodbye. And after the game, was looking pretty nostalgic while walking off the field...

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Campbell is near the top of the list for me but I think Roman is probably my top choice as far as NFL assistant-types. He's had great success calling plays with two separate organizations, and I assume he'd bring a hard-nosed culture coming from the Ravens and Harbaugh's 49ers.

I'd also love to get some Baltimore assistants in here, as well as hopefully a Ravens-type philosophy as far as defense and personnel go.

Conversely, I'd love to get some of the Saints DNA injected into this organization so that's what I'd hope we'd be getting from Campbell and his staff.
The Ravens seems to continually let defensive players go, shuffle in new ones and have the same great success. I would love to see some of their hard nosed philosophy here. And obviously Greg Roman knows offense and QBs who can run. I think he could get even more out of Dak.
 

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I look forward to Schmitty coming in to chastise you for this. I mean, you don't know Jerry Jones personally. You really can't know if he's truly a piece of shit or not.
I mean, yeah, I don't get as riled up over Jerry anymore either. No sense in cursing him.

He's an idiot, but it will be like this till he dies, sadly.
 

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Especially when if you stop and think about it for a second, there was no reason to sabotage Wade, since it was already obvious Garrett was the chosen coach in waiting.
How exactly do you go from the coach in waiting to head coach? Pretty sure Wade has to get fired for that to happen. It's not like Wade was about to retire. Shit the guy is still coaching today.
 

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I'm leaning towards Campbell as my top pro candidate. Coached under Payton. Played for Parcells. Believes in hard practices and has actually shown some coaching acumen in his career.
I can get on board with that.

I just hope that if it is Campbell, the guy is allowed to pick his own staff and isn't forced or strongly persuaded to keep anyone.

The only guys I'd actually like to bring back are Kitna and the receivers coach.

Everyone else needs to hit the road.
 

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You have no idea why that happened, you are only speculating. It makes just as much sense to me that he'd do it to save his own job, ie, let's try something radically different because the ship is sinking, or because Wade (or Jerry) insisted on something different. It's all speculation and there is no basis to assume a motive.
Yet, that is exactly what you are doing, too. While telling us that we are wrong.

Especially when if you stop and think about it for a second, there was no reason to sabotage Wade, since it was already obvious Garrett was the chosen coach in waiting.
But, if the team was winning, then the chosen coach in waiting would have to continue just that... Waiting.

Yeah, I don't agree with that. I'm not gonna go back and dig through 150 post game press conferences though. But my recollection is that he frequently said "we have to do this better," and I think that includes himself. If you are looking for a "throw himself on the sword" moment, it may not be there, but that doesn't mean he's not taking accountability, it's a rhetorical style that is simply pointless to demand out of a press conference, as again, they are completely meaningless and their only purpose is fan service. Not like Bill Parcells frequently said it was his fault, and he also frequently called out players. It's all a matter of degrees, it's not just black and white like is being stated here.
You hear the press conferences and read the press stories just like we do. But unlike above, there is no speculation needed here. It's all on video and in black in white. Pretty much after every loss, there is an example of his deflection skills on display. Pretty easy to see. If you choose not to accept it, there's not much else to say.
 

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And yeah... As far as him being an "accountability-skirting loser", all you have to do is pay attention over the years. Garrett rarely if ever (I can't remember a time) took any personal responsibility for anything. But there was always a convenient player or coach to deflect blame towards.
Just in the last couple of months he's blamed Tavon Austin, Kellen Moore, and Sanjay Lal. Don't have to go back 150 press conferences.
 

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You have no idea why that happened, you are only speculating. It makes just as much sense to me that he'd do it to save his own job, ie, let's try something radically different because the ship is sinking, or because Wade (or Jerry) insisted on something different. It's all speculation and there is no basis to assume a motive.

Especially when if you stop and think about it for a second, there was no reason to sabotage Wade, since it was already obvious Garrett was the chosen coach in waiting.



Yeah, I don't agree with that. I'm not gonna go back and dig through 150 post game press conferences though. But my recollection is that he frequently said "we have to do this better," and I think that includes himself. If you are looking for a "throw himself on the sword" moment, it may not be there, but that doesn't mean he's not taking accountability, it's a rhetorical style that is simply pointless to demand out of a press conference, as again, they are completely meaningless and their only purpose is fan service. Not like Bill Parcells frequently said it was his fault, and he also frequently called out players. It's all a matter of degrees, it's not just black and white like is being stated here.

 

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Yet, that is exactly what you are doing, too. While telling us that we are wrong.
Well the nature of speculation would come with an admission that you don't know.

So yes I admit I do not know for sure that Jason Garrett did not sabotage Wade Phillips, but neither does anyone know the alternate. And that is the wording my post used, I said "I do not believe..."

And I'm sorry but Patrick Crayton doesn't move the needle much for me. Let's ask Terrell Owens too.

But, if the team was winning, then the chosen coach in waiting would have to continue just that... Waiting.
That's kinda missing the forest for the trees. Yeah, if the team was winning Super Bowls.

If, in 2010, it was reasonably expected that the team would continue to do what it had done, ie, run hot and cold, then it was also a reasonable expectation that the driver's seat would eventually be changed out.

You hear the press conferences and read the press stories just like we do. But unlike above, there is no speculation needed here. It's all on video and in black in white. Pretty much after every loss, there is an example of his deflection skills on display. Pretty easy to see. If you choose not to accept it, there's not much else to say.
There really isn't. I don't agree with your characterization that it was somehow a lowly or uncommon form of blame shifting.
 

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Well, it’s not Jerry, but Garrett is a good start
 

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That's kinda missing the forest for the trees. Yeah, if the team was winning Super Bowls.
You sure about that? Hell, Garrett got 10 years. And he didn't even win a divisional round game, much less a Super Bowl.

But, I guess there wasn't any chance of that happening. Since we were running our preseason offense in the middle of the season. Right?

Hell, the year prior we were the #1 seed and expected to compete hard for the Super Bowl the year it all fell apart. Looks like that 'coach in waiting' may have got a little antsy.
 

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LoL
 

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Even when shown the new playbook he will still die on that hill. Let's not listen to someone that was actually there at all. That brilliant!
 
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