Yeah, you have a guy like Selvie who was very solid against the run and provided a nice 7 sacks.Not saying it's my first choice, just acceptable.
The bottom line is you can't have Dee Ford and Jackson Jeffcoat as your starting ends. You need a guy who is a little bit of an anchor, too.
He was a solid player who the fanbase elevated to very good and who Jones paid like it simply because of our state of suck in finding a pass rusher.When Greg Ellis was still in the lineup I think I am the only one on this board that thought he was a solid player. My how time changes things.
Memory serves me that he arrived at "He sucks" status when he became a whiner. His play was the same but folks turned on him over his commentaries.He was a solid player who the fanbase elevated to very good and who Jones paid like it simply because of our state of suck in finding a pass rusher.
It scares me now we are in that same boat, with our braintrust wanting a pass rusher.
Regardless of the anger over not choosing Moss or his level of play, he was not worth the choice and some want to make the same kind of mistake again simply because we are desperate.Memory serves me that he arrived at "He sucks" status when he became a whiner. His play was the same but folks turned on him over his commentaries.
ur on ignoreYeah, you have a guy like Selvie who was very solid against the run and provided a nice 7 sacks.
Ur doing it wrong.ur on ignore
Whether Ellis was drafted #1 or # 6 by Dallas, he was still a solid and reliable player. Once a player is on the team , position drafted is just a conversation topic. When they take the field they either play well or they don't.Regardless of the anger over not choosing Moss or his level of play, he was not worth the choice and some want to make the same kind of mistake again simply because we are desperate.
I don't losing any more than the next guy, but sometimes you can't just look to fill that year's hole and grab for need.
Robert Edwards and Takeo Spikes wanted me to let you know that it's time to GFY.Ellis had a 12 year, 84 sack career in spite of breaking his leg (thanks to one of Jerry's psychotic players), and switching positions when the coaches asked him to.
In hindsight, only Peyton Manning, Charles Woodson, Alan Faneca and Randy Moss, and maybe Matt Birk were better players in that whole draft, though Fred Taylor would have been had he managed to remain healthy. He was at least the equal of Tra Thomas, better than Kyle Turley, and also fit a critical need on the DL after the Carver and Pittman debacles.
Can you imagine the blowback had he been a bust like Andre Wadsworth or Grant Wistrom who were drafted ahead of him in the top ten?
Criticizing Ellis out of the history of Jerry-draft picks is incredibly anti-homerish.
Well, no, because you always want the best player. If you got a solid player but passed on a great player, it's a topic worth revisiting.Whether Ellis was drafted #1 or # 6 by Dallas, he was still a solid and reliable player. Once a player is on the team , position drafted is just a conversation topic. When they take the field they either play well or they don't.
I don't think Ealy ends up in that range.It is more likely to be cheap, but it's not necessarily so. It's a vital part of defense, so if you can get one of the better players at it, I'm all for it. And again, we're not talking Chris Canty with a career high of 4 sacks, we're talking about a Chris Canty LIKE player with more pass rush ability, in the 8 sack range.
Once the draft is over it's all academic as to whether someone should have been taken or someone different should have been selected. It just a topic to vent about. The only thing that really matters is once a player is selected will they produce. It's the only tangible thing that can be observed and graded. Again the rest is preferential venting and dialogue.Well, no, because you always want the best player. If you got a solid player but passed on a great player, it's a topic worth revisiting.
That being said, it's unrealistic to expect every first rounder to be a Pro Bowler. A Greg Ellis type of ten year quality starter is still a solid "B" draft pick outside the top 10 of a draft. You should be aiming for an A, but you want to avoid Fs, too. Sometimes it's ok to settle for the B, and I think Ealy would be that.
Then it's funny that Greg Ellis was a better linebacker over the two years they both played the position, right?Robert Edwards and Takeo Spikes wanted me to let you know that it's time to GFY.
Wistrom wasn't a draft bust for STL. He was just a free agency bust for Seattle. Also you're forgetting "Keef" Brooking, who was a 5 time pro bowler at MLB before he came here on his last legs, and arguably Hines Ward.Ellis had a 12 year, 84 sack career in spite of breaking his leg (thanks to one of Jerry's psychotic players), and switching positions when the coaches asked him to.
In hindsight, only Peyton Manning, Charles Woodson, Alan Faneca and Randy Moss, and maybe Matt Birk were better players in that whole draft, though Fred Taylor would have been had he managed to remain healthy. He was at least the equal of Tra Thomas, better than Kyle Turley, and also fit a critical need on the DL after the Carver and Pittman debacles.
Can you imagine the blowback had he been a bust like Andre Wadsworth or Grant Wistrom who were drafted ahead of him in the top ten?
Criticizing Ellis out of the history of Jerry-draft picks is incredibly anti-homerish.
I liked Brooking, though I always thought he was a bit small and wore down as a result. For a while in the 2000's he was one of the best at his position. Ward, though... good catch. I'd think he had a better career than Ellis.Wistrom wasn't a draft bust for STL. He was just a free agency bust for Seattle. Also you're forgetting "Keef" Brooking, who was a 5 time pro bowler at MLB before he came here on his last legs, and arguably Hines Ward.
So we should equally pissed if our 1st rounder sucks as much as a 7th rounder? I would be pissed more about the 1st rounder sucking.Once the draft is over it's all academic as to whether someone should have been taken or someone different should have been selected. It just a topic to vent about. The only thing that really matters is once a player is selected will they produce. It's the only tangible thing that can be observed and graded. Again the rest is preferential venting and dialogue.
What does getting pissed help? It's history and the only thing getting pissed does is staying pissed. Life is too short to beat dead horses. It'd just a cycle of woulda, coulda, shoulda.So we should equally pissed if our 1st rounder sucks as much as a 7th rounder? I would be pissed more about the 1st rounder sucking.
It's not about you getting pissed. It's about the conversation of the draft picks this teams take. If someone goes in the 1st then they are expected to maintain that draft status or they are a bust.What does getting passed help? It's history and the only thing getting pissed does is staying pissed. Life is too short to beat dead horses. It'd just a cycle of woulda, coulda, shoulda.
What does getting passed help? It's history and the only thing getting pissed does is staying pissed. Life is too short to beat dead horses. It'd just a cycle of woulda, coulda, shoulda.