Do you guys remember when

[L.T. Fan]

I'm positive Marino would trade his stats for Aikmans rings in a heartbeat

True and I don't disagree but Marino still was a better position player.

 

[jsmith6919]

True and I don't disagree but Marino still was a better position player.

There's no way to know that because...Aikman put the team first

 

[L.T. Fan]

There's no way to know that because...Aikman put the team first

I said up front I am not evaluating intangibles. I am not declaring who might be best with all intangibles thrown in. I made a list of individuals who I think-exceeded at the position. No more no less. Wins and losses , championships, etc. are not in the mix. Just how they played the position. It's not a debate for me it's a personal opinion based on the individual.

 

[data]

How do playoff stats compare for Romo, Aikman, Staubach and White.

Probably better indicator as less variance in strength of opponent, quality of team, importance of game, etc...

 

[L.T. Fan]

How do Romo's playoff stats compare vs Aikman's, Staubach's & White's.

Not a factor for me because the position is played by an individual all the regular season.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Tell that to Marino and others like him.

Sure and that's why Marino isn't the greatest QB of all time despite the stats.

 

[L.T. Fan]

Sure and that's why Marino isn't the greatest QB of all time despite the stats.

Didn't say he was the QB of all times. He is one of my choices for one of the best performers at the QB position.

 

[data]

Didn't say he was the QB of all times. He is one of my choices for one of the best performers at the QB position.

Out of curiousity, how high on your list is Philip Rivers? Top 10-ish as you had Romo? Or far below Romo?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Sure and that's why Marino isn't the greatest QB of all time despite the stats.

He's way, way up there, though. Until Rodgers and Brady I thought he might be co-#1 with Montana, of people I've seen play.

 

[fortsbest]

GOAT QBs

1. Montana
2. Marino
3. Brady
4. Aikman
5. Staubach
6. Fouts
7. Stabler
8. Romo
9. Moon
10. Unitas

 

[Smitty]

Moon over Manning?

 

[Angrymesscan]

Stat wise I think it's more:
1. Romo
2. White
3. Aikman
4. Staubach

...

 

[midswat]

GOAT QBs

1. Montana
2. Marine
3. Brady
4. Aikman
5. Staubach
6. Fouts
7. Stabler
8. Romo
9. Moon
10. Unitas

Just goes to show how varying fan opinions can be. For my money, Elway is the greatest of all time and he doesn't even crack your top 10.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

GOAT QBs

1. Montana
2. Marino
3. Brady
4. Aikman
5. Staubach
6. Fouts
7. Stabler
8. Romo
9. Moon
10. Unitas

What, no Favre?

Certainly he should be above Moon...

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Just goes to show how varying fan opinions can be. For my money, Elway is the greatest of all time and he doesn't even crack your top 10.

Had to be a simple mistake, right? Elway has to be on there somewhere.

But then Rodgers isn't on there, either. I think he's definitely an all-time great.

 

[ravidubey]

There's more than 10 all-time great QB's.

All I know is the art of passing the football keeps improving. It's not the rules- (not since 1978), it's the players, conditioning, and years of being coached with the right techniques. With the saturation and popularity of the sport, everyone just expects more. I've seen this very thing happen with software development skills and expectations companies have of college grads.

In the 70's most QB's weren't expected to be accurate even after the rules changes in 1978, and deep passes were primarily used to back off defenses. No one ever expected to actually complete them. There were always exceptions like Unitas, but most completely sucked by today's standards.

Pro QB's today can put the ball anywhere they want to, and they practice year-round. They've been practicing most of their lives. It's like a night and day comparison. WR's have to be thrown off pattern/covered and pressure needs to be constant or QB's will play pitch and catch.

Now almost all QB's are accurate on ins, deep posts, and crosses giving athletes room to make big plays. Back in the 70's you mainly expected to get hit with someone's helmet, not be hit in stride with the football.

 

[Cotton]

What, no Favre?

Certainly he should be above Moon...

Fuck Brett Favre.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Fuck Brett Favre.

Yeah I hate Farve too. Plus I think he is overrated. He is still better than Romo and Warren Moon though.

 

[townsend]

Yeah I hate Farve too. Plus I think he is overrated. He is still better than Romo and Warren Moon though.

I'd put him just below Peyton Manning.

 

[data]

You have no credibility if your Top 10 list doesn't start like this:
1. Otto Graham healthy
2. Otto Graham sick
3. Otto Graham dead