Democrat Presidential Nominees

[Cotton]

 

[Smitty]

Jesus Christ, he says some of the looniest shit. Trump is now a socialist? My god, do they really think the voting public is that stupid? Oh, wait...

I think he's implying that many of the "socialist" policies he wants to implement are already implemented, or similar policies are implemented.

For what it's worth, I think of Bernie somewhat like I think of Ron Paul. Part of me wonders if I wouldn't get some of the things I like by the mere fact that, a) Bernie is relatively honest (compared to the rest of them), b) does want what's best for the "working class," against huge corporatism, and c) if by the fact that he's SO far to the left, he's come around full circle to touch on some of the things that the far right would want.

 

[Smitty]

Think they are vegans mad about dairy farming

They have created this monster.

 

[Cotton]

 

[Genghis Khan]

Oof, kind of an unfair characterization of what he was saying. He was saying he doesn't care if insurance companies fail, not that he doesn't care if 150 million people lose their health insurance.

 

[Cotton]

Oof, kind of an unfair characterization of what he was saying. He was saying he doesn't care if insurance companies fail, not that he doesn't care if 150 million people lose their health insurance.

If the companies fail, the individual would have two choices. Go with his public healthcare nonsense or go without. I think it's a fair characterization.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Part of me wonders if I wouldn't get some of the things I like by the mere fact that, a) Bernie is relatively honest (compared to the rest of them), b) does want what's best for the "working class," against huge corporatism, and c) if by the fact that he's SO far to the left, he's come around full circle to touch on some of the things that the far right would want.

 

[jsmith6919]

 

[Genghis Khan]

If the companies fail, the individual would have two choices. Go with his public healthcare nonsense or go without. I think it's a fair characterization.

I agree with your premise that he wants to coerce people into a public healthcare system and this would be a bad result, but that's different than the implication that he's saying he doesn't care if 150 million people lose their health insurance.

He's literally saying he doesn't care if insurance companies fail, but he isn't assuming that 150 million people would lose their health insurance he's assuming all those people would likely turn to his public system. It's stated awkwardly for sure. I just don't want to mischaracterize what's being said here, because it's the idea that's problematic not the statement.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Jesus Christ on a cross walk on a busy downtown intersection.

 

[NoDak]

I agree with your premise that he wants to coerce people into a public healthcare system and this would be a bad result, but that's different than the implication that he's saying he doesn't care if 150 million people lose their health insurance.

He's literally saying he doesn't care if insurance companies fail, but he isn't assuming that 150 million people would lose their health insurance he's assuming all those people would likely turn to his public system. It's stated awkwardly for sure. I just don't want to mischaracterize what's being said here, because it's the idea that's problematic not the statement.

I agree. As a conservative, I absolutely hate when libs twist things to fit their narrative, taking things out of context, and only presenting half the story to the public. We shouldn't do the same thing just because it fits OUR agenda this time.

 

[jsmith6919]

I agree. As a conservative, I absolutely hate when libs twist things to fit their narrative, taking things out of context, and only presenting half the story to the public. We shouldn't do the same thing just because it fits OUR agenda this time.

Yea, their policies are bad enough as is, no need to embellish

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I agree with your premise that he wants to coerce people into a public healthcare system and this would be a bad result, but that's different than the implication that he's saying he doesn't care if 150 million people lose their health insurance.

He's literally saying he doesn't care if insurance companies fail, but he isn't assuming that 150 million people would lose their health insurance he's assuming all those people would likely turn to his public system. It's stated awkwardly for sure. I just don't want to mischaracterize what's being said here, because it's the idea that's problematic not the statement.

I don't know what his plan is so I have a hard time arguing it. If he is going to create government insurance that isn't tax funded awesome. If it's so good it puts private companies out of business so be it.

But if his plan is to tax everyone to fund his health care plan that's different. A private company can't fairly compete without a level playing field. In the end we all end up with worse insurance and less money. And then his arrogance is a prick statement.

 

[Cotton]

If he is going to create government insurance that isn't tax funded

How would one do that exactly, though? If it's run by the government, it would be funded by the tax payers, no?

 

[Cowboysrock55]

How would one do that exactly, though? If it's run by the government, it would be funded by the tax payers, no?

By making it elective and having the people who sign up for government health insurance fund it. Most politicians will tell you this is impossible to do without tax dollars but it's possible hypothetically. Government insurance wouldn't need the big advertising budget, they would have great negotiating power and presumably wouldn't be concerned with turning any profit at all. But essentially a private insurance company could still compete against them.

That's different than saying everyone above a certain wage has to pay for government health insurance through taxes and then everyone gets it. And of course you can still keep your old policy but no private insurance company can compete with that. People would be forced to give up their old insurance because there would be no logic behind paying for both. And people who can't afford insurance wouldn't pay for the private policy anyway, they will just take the free health care and move on.

Politicians always think this stuff is easy but it's really not. Health care is extremely complex. And if you want to give everyone free health care, costs are going to go up because if people aren't going to have to pay for it they will go to the doctor every time someone gets a common cold. Which drives up costs and suddenly we need more tax dollars. Not to mention everything government run seems to cost twice as much as it should because they don't have to compete. It's no different than a monopoly that doesn't have to worry about competition. People will just start lining their pockets and not give a shit about the healthcare system itself. Which I'm guessing is really what he is proposing but like I said, I don't know any specifics about his proposal so I'll try not to be offended until I do.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

By making it elective and having the people who sign up for government health insurance fund it.

But the people who don't have it either can't or don't want to fund it. That's why we all have to.

Also, what absolute bullshit for Elizabeth Warren to use Mississippi flooding as an example of climate change. Even they can't possibly believe this.

 

[Cotton]

But the people who don't have it either can't or don't want to fund it. That's why we all have to.

Also, what absolute bullshit for Elizabeth Warren to use Mississippi flooding as an example of climate change. Even they can't possibly believe this.

Hell, they blame all hurricanes on climate change. Yes, seriously.

 

[jsmith6919]

Hell, they blame all hurricanes on climate change. Yes, seriously.

And forest fires

 

[Cotton]

And forest fires

Yep, and then the arson was realized, and all of a sudden, the claims just somehow disappeared.

 

[jsmith6919]

I watched around 20 minutes of tonights Dem debates and this is pretty much my assessment