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Two big things stick out to me, not just about today but over the first 5 games, although today just kind of solidified it for me. They're interrelated but I think both are important enough to be called out separately.

First, I think Schottenheimer has actually delivered on his promise to "modernize" the offense, marrying the run/pass game, more motion, heavy use of play action, mixing in well executed screens, etc. Even with Pickens, in what world would we have lost our best offensive player and casually rolled up 30-40 in back-to-back games in years past?

Even when we had Lamb, Cooper and Gallup.

The play-calling is generally on point, the screens are mixed up well, the down roster WR's are being put in positions to make plays, and most importantly the OL is playing better than the sum of its parts.

Which takes me to my next point, this is what happens when you invest heavily in the OL coaching/run game scheme and bring in some actually talented/innovative thinkers in that space. Adams and Riley deserve all the credit imaginable there, how many times over the last 10+ years has our OL fallen apart because we're down a single starter/premier player?

Tyron Smith being replaced by Chaz Green, despite having prime Zack Martin, Travis Frederick and La'el Collins all still playing?

Today we're down fucking 3 (4 if you want to count Guyton, which I don't since Thomas is better), were going up against a top 5 DT in the league and one of the best young edge rushers in McDonald, and it went as smoothly as you'd like. And while I love Javonte Williams, the guy is damn near leading the league in rushing.

No chance any of that's happening at any point over the last 10 years since Callahan left.

Dak deserves a bunch of credit also because his pocket presence and mobility is seemingly much improved, but to me the OL coaching is orders of magnitude better. Of course the relationship between the OL coaching/run game scheme and the overall offensive design is symbiotic, and it's been great to see.

This is basically the best offensive design I've seen in Dallas since I don't know when, it's certainly the closest thing to the modernized offenses of the Rams, 49ers, etc. that have evolved over the last 5-10 years. The offensive talent isn't quite as good as some of the best teams we've had over the last 20ish years, but the offensive design certainly is better.
 

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Drake Maye is better than Jayden Daniels, that was my opinion going into the draft last year and I think it's starting to show up now that Maye has stabilized and has a solid environment surrounding him.

It was easier for Daniels to acclimate because his legs simplify things and are a floor-raiser, but now that Maye is starting to figure out how the league works I think you're seeing better traditional QB play out of him.
 

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When does a ref use ‘because’

At ref camp, he eats lunch by himself
 

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Drake Maye is better than Jayden Daniels, that was my opinion going into the draft last year and I think it's starting to show up now that Maye has stabilized and has a solid environment surrounding him.

It was easier for Daniels to acclimate because his legs simplify things and are a floor-raiser, but now that Maye is starting to figure out how the league works I think you're seeing better traditional QB play out of him.
Say that reminds me, Maye was the better QB in college but @Smitty touted both Tribusky and Howell more. Odd.
 

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Two big things stick out to me, not just about today but over the first 5 games, although today just kind of solidified it for me. They're interrelated but I think both are important enough to be called out separately.

First, I think Schottenheimer has actually delivered on his promise to "modernize" the offense, marrying the run/pass game, more motion, heavy use of play action, mixing in well executed screens, etc. Even with Pickens, in what world would we have lost our best offensive player and casually rolled up 30-40 in back-to-back games in years past?

Even when we had Lamb, Cooper and Gallup.

The play-calling is generally on point, the screens are mixed up well, the down roster WR's are being put in positions to make plays, and most importantly the OL is playing better than the sum of its parts.

Which takes me to my next point, this is what happens when you invest heavily in the OL coaching/run game scheme and bring in some actually talented/innovative thinkers in that space. Adams and Riley deserve all the credit imaginable there, how many times over the last 10+ years has our OL fallen apart because we're down a single starter/premier player?

Tyron Smith being replaced by Chaz Green, despite having prime Zack Martin, Travis Frederick and La'el Collins all still playing?

Today we're down fucking 3 (4 if you want to count Guyton, which I don't since Thomas is better), were going up against a top 5 DT in the league and one of the best young edge rushers in McDonald, and it went as smoothly as you'd like. And while I love Javonte Williams, the guy is damn near leading the league in rushing.

No chance any of that's happening at any point over the last 10 years since Callahan left.

Dak deserves a bunch of credit also because his pocket presence and mobility is seemingly much improved, but to me the OL coaching is orders of magnitude better. Of course the relationship between the OL coaching/run game scheme and the overall offensive design is symbiotic, and it's been great to see.

This is basically the best offensive design I've seen in Dallas since I don't know when, it's certainly the closest thing to the modernized offenses of the Rams, 49ers, etc. that have evolved over the last 5-10 years. The offensive talent isn't quite as good as some of the best teams we've had over the last 20ish years, but the offensive design certainly is better.
Simp: <takes time and does work>

GShock: Ferguson sucks!
 

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Two big things stick out to me, not just about today but over the first 5 games, although today just kind of solidified it for me. They're interrelated but I think both are important enough to be called out separately.

First, I think Schottenheimer has actually delivered on his promise to "modernize" the offense, marrying the run/pass game, more motion, heavy use of play action, mixing in well executed screens, etc. Even with Pickens, in what world would we have lost our best offensive player and casually rolled up 30-40 in back-to-back games in years past?

Even when we had Lamb, Cooper and Gallup.

The play-calling is generally on point, the screens are mixed up well, the down roster WR's are being put in positions to make plays, and most importantly the OL is playing better than the sum of its parts.

Which takes me to my next point, this is what happens when you invest heavily in the OL coaching/run game scheme and bring in some actually talented/innovative thinkers in that space. Adams and Riley deserve all the credit imaginable there, how many times over the last 10+ years has our OL fallen apart because we're down a single starter/premier player?

Tyron Smith being replaced by Chaz Green, despite having prime Zack Martin, Travis Frederick and La'el Collins all still playing?

Today we're down fucking 3 (4 if you want to count Guyton, which I don't since Thomas is better), were going up against a top 5 DT in the league and one of the best young edge rushers in McDonald, and it went as smoothly as you'd like. And while I love Javonte Williams, the guy is damn near leading the league in rushing.

No chance any of that's happening at any point over the last 10 years since Callahan left.

Dak deserves a bunch of credit also because his pocket presence and mobility is seemingly much improved, but to me the OL coaching is orders of magnitude better. Of course the relationship between the OL coaching/run game scheme and the overall offensive design is symbiotic, and it's been great to see.

This is basically the best offensive design I've seen in Dallas since I don't know when, it's certainly the closest thing to the modernized offenses of the Rams, 49ers, etc. that have evolved over the last 5-10 years. The offensive talent isn't quite as good as some of the best teams we've had over the last 20ish years, but the offensive design certainly is better.
Great post. But it was the Jets, man.
 

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Great post. But it was the Jets, man.
Yea but it's something I've been thinking throughout the early part of the year, they just rolled up the Packers last week who were statistically one of the best (maybe the best) defenses in the league before our game. And without Lamb, Beebe and Booker.

The only reason I think today solidified things for me is because we were down so many guys offensively, between all of the OL, plus Lamb and Turpin.
 

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Yea but it's something I've been thinking throughout the early part of the year, they just rolled up the Packers last week who were statistically one of the best (maybe the best) defenses in the league before our game. And without Lamb, Beebe and Booker.

The only reason I think today solidified things for me is because we were down so many guys offensively, between all of the OL, plus Lamb and Turpin.
The best way I can summarize the season so far is that despite as much as we talked about resilience in previous eras, this team is actually doing it.
 

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Both the Eagles and Bills were the lone undefeated teams coming into this week and have had their moments of vulnerability leading into these games.

Neither are all that. It is unusual for things to regress so quickly. Usually there is a midseason front runner with no losses, this is only the fifth week.
 

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The best way I can summarize the season so far is that despite as much as we talked about resilience in previous eras, this team is actually doing it.
Dak was like, yo Flournoy, you are Turpin+

and the o-line. My goodness.
 

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The Patriots have just handed them 30 yards and I think Vrabel is going to have a coronary event soon.
 
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