2025 Season | Week 17 | Weekend Gameday Chatter Thread | Dallas Cowboys @ Washington Redskins | 12/25/2025

[1bigfan13]

Losing AT HOME to the shit stain 3-13 Cardinals should be enough of a reason to gut the entire defensive staff.

Schotty deserves his share of the blame for that loss as well. His offense only scored 17 points vs their defense.

In the 8 games since playing the Cowboys, Arizona's defense allowed four 40 point games and 37 in another. They gave up an average of 35 ppg over the final half of the season.

 

[1bigfan13]

SF's defense isn't good enough to win it all this year, you guys should stop worrying about them even if they get HFA.

Their pass rush is pretty pathetic. They don't generate much pressure without sending 5 or 6.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Losing AT HOME to the shit stain 3-13 Cardinals should be enough of a reason to gut the entire defensive staff.

Schotty deserves his share of the blame for that loss as well. His offense only scored 17 points vs their defense.

In the 8 games since playing the Cowboys, Arizona's defense allowed four 40 point games and 37 in another. They gave up an average of 35 ppg over the final half of the season.

No kidding. The Cardinals might lose to the Raiders right now.

 

[Simpleton]

Losing AT HOME to the shit stain 3-13 Cardinals should be enough of a reason to gut the entire defensive staff.

Schotty deserves his share of the blame for that loss as well. His offense only scored 17 points vs their defense.

In the 8 games since playing the Cowboys, Arizona's defense allowed four 40 point games and 37 in another. They gave up an average of 35 ppg over the final half of the season.

Yea that game and some of the ridiculously lethargic, mistake-filled starts in other games (Detroit, Philly, Chicago) are why I think Schottenheimer should be on thin ice going into next year.

The defense definitely deserves the vast majority of the blame, but if you look closely there are some warning lights on Schottenheimer as a HC.

 

[Texas Ace]

Yea that game and some of the ridiculously lethargic, mistake-filled starts in other games (Detroit, Philly, Chicago) are why I think Schottenheimer should be on thin ice going into next year.

The defense definitely deserves the vast majority of the blame, but if you look closely there are some warning lights on Schottenheimer as a HC.

I don't see it.

He'll get to finish out his contract unless they go 3-13 or some shit.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Yea that game and some of the ridiculously lethargic, mistake-filled starts in other games (Detroit, Philly, Chicago) are why I think Schottenheimer should be on thin ice going into next year.

The defense definitely deserves the vast majority of the blame, but if you look closely there are some warning lights on Schottenheimer as a HC.

Yeah I'm not totally sold on the guy but I'd give him a chance with the defensive coordinator of his choosing. And if it still ends up Garrett like than I may be looking to moven on.

 

[Simpleton]

I don't see it.

He'll get to finish out his contract unless they go 3-13 or some shit.

I'm just saying in my opinion, I think it'd take 3 straight non-playoff years for Jerry to get rid of him.

 

[Simpleton]

Yeah I'm not totally sold on the guy but I'd give him a chance with the defensive coordinator of his choosing. And if it still ends up Garrett like than I may be looking to moven on.

Yea I'm not advocating firing him, although I might be if we miss the playoffs again next year depending on the circumstances.

I doubt Jerry will unless we miss the playoffs the next two years though.

 

[Rev]

Yea I'm not advocating firing him, although I might be if we miss the playoffs again next year depending on the circumstances.

I doubt Jerry will unless we miss the playoffs the next two years though.

I get the feeling that the thought of father time is catching up to Jerry. Would you have thought that he would ever had accepted any part of the blame for the last 30 years? The tone of some of his interviews have felt a little down as of late. Mid year trade for a non glory position after ignoring it pretty much for the last 30 years. I say this to say that normally Shottenheimer would get the full length of his contract regardless but time might be changing. Free agency will be the real litmus check so we will just have to LT this thing.

 

[data]

I don't see it.

He'll get to finish out his contract unless they go 3-13 or some shit.

Have yet to play the walk-around coach card

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I get the feeling that the thought of father time is catching up to Jerry. Would you have thought that he would ever had accepted any part of the blame for the last 30 years? The tone of some of his interviews have felt a little down as of late. Mid year trade for a non glory position after ignoring it pretty much for the last 30 years. I say this to say that normally Shottenheimer would get the full length of his contract regardless but time might be changing. Free agency will be the real litmus check so we will just have to LT this thing.

Few thoughts...

One, I too wonder what finally got him to focus on the interior DL after ignoring it so long. Could it be two DCs he likes and admires in Zimmer and Eberflus telling him, hey, this has to improve? Because something definitely happened.

Two, Jerry has given the Mea Culpa speeches at the end of disappointing seasons before, so I doubt that means much. We now know Jerry had stage 4 cancer years ago and that didn't seem to affect him.

Three, the way Jerry was publicly lamenting that coaches don't have incentive-based contracts makes me wonder if Schotty could have accepted something like that, especially considering he wasn't in demand and was desperate for this job. But I still think the main reason BS is here is that Dak wanted him, and I think as long as Dak is here (barring total disaster/irrelevance), Schotty will be here. They'll just fire DCs or other coaches like is about to happen.

 

[Rev]

I've seen the man in the mirror speeches before but I've never seen him specifically say that they (front office) have to take some blame for the last 30 years. Its always some rambling Jerry story that makes no sense that leads to man in the mirror.

Im not saying that its definitely changing but it caught my attention.

 

[SaveAHorseRideACowboy]

 

[bbgun]

Losing AT HOME to the shit stain 3-13 Cardinals should be enough of a reason to gut the entire defensive staff.

Schotty deserves his share of the blame for that loss as well. His offense only scored 17 points vs their defense.

In the 8 games since playing the Cowboys, Arizona's defense allowed four 40 point games and 37 in another. They gave up an average of 35 ppg over the final half of the season.

Yep. Offense has been flying under the radar because Eb's unit is historically bad. And now they suddenly can't score in the second halves of games despite being mostly healthy on that side of the ball. That's on the HC.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Yea I'm not advocating firing him, although I might be if we miss the playoffs again next year depending on the circumstances.

I doubt Jerry will unless we miss the playoffs the next two years though.

Yeah I can't totally absolve a head coach because one side of the ball is good. We see this all the time with defensive coordinators as head coaches. The defense is great but the offense is horrible. They still get fired.

Great the offense was awesome this year. But Dak was pretty awesome. Dak throwing to Lamb and Pickens will probably be great with any offensive coordinator. So I'm not giving him massive points for this offense. Sure the run game was a big sigh of relief this year. But you're a head coach. So you're responsible for special teams and defensive failures. And we had plenty of failures in those two areas.

That's why I say let him control his defensive coordinator. Let him be a real head coach and not just an offensive coordinator. If that doesn't work, he isn't head coaching material. But Rome wasn't built in a day. So maybe it takes more than a year for Schotty to sort of get the machine he wants put together.

 

[Genghis Khan]

View attachment 697457

I don't get it.

I mean if you look at their stats Micah Parsons and DeMarcus Lawrence are having about the same season they always do. They don't seem to be particularly better this year.

I don't have an especially effective way to quickly assess Lewis' year without having watched him closely but I suspect he's about the same also.

 

[bbgun]

I don't get it.

I think it's an "all they had to do was get away from Dallas" joke.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Yeah, it means Eberflus blows.

 

[Genghis Khan]

I think it's an "all they had to do was get away from Dallas" joke.

I edited my post to clarify what I mean. I still don't get it. I don't see any of those guys having especially better seasons than they did with Dallas.

I mean, Lawrence has 6 sacks this season. We're going to prop that now? We'd be calling for his release if he was still in Dallas.

I wouldn't want to have paid Lawrence or probably Lewis for that matter.

Parsons is a different issue but he had around the same amount of sacks (and I suspect his other numbers as well) as he did in Dallas. You can debate whether you pay that contract or not but he didn't suddenly get better. He's pretty much what he's been.

 

[Rev]

I edited my post to clarify what I mean. I still don't get it. I don't see any of those guys having especially better seasons than they did with Dallas.

I mean, Lawrence has 6 sacks this season. We're going to prop that now? We'd be calling for his release if he was still in Dallas.

I wouldn't want to have paid Lawrence or probably Lewis for that matter.

Parsons is a different issue but he had around the same amount of sacks (and I suspect his other numbers as well) as he did in Dallas. You can debate whether you pay that contract or not but he didn't suddenly get better. He's pretty much what he's been.

Oh I wished we had Lewis back.