2025 Draft Big Boards, Position Rankings, and Mocks

[Chocolate Lab]

So if you don't go WR at 12 what position would you take? I struggle because it's too early for RB after Jeanty. None of the corners in my opinion are worth 12. So to me it's probably DT or Oline if we don't go WR. Oline I think is just a possibility because of value if Membou or someone drops but I don't see that happening.

I'm with you. That's why I still think we trade down -- even if we "lose" on the trade chart -- although one of the WRs is a possibility. Once you do that, many of these guys at WR or DT or RB sound a lot better.

I'm probably an outlier on this, but I wouldn't be surprised if we traded down a bit and took Hampton.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I don't want to spend the 12th pick on a DT who is very questionable against the run. Nolen is a guy who is extremely explosive but everything is about getting upfield, and there are a bunch of times where he gets washed out when trying to hold the POA without splitting blocks to penetrate as you mentioned.

We're already invested in Osa who is a but undersized and only average against the run, so if we spend a high pick on a DT I want them to be at least decent against the run. Not to mention Thomas who they gave a 2-year deal to and who is pretty solid as a backup undersized 3T.

Harmon is ideal because I think he's nearly as good of a pass rusher as Nolen but much better against the run, and I'd prefer Grant because I'd lean more towards the run-stuffing side of things and Grant is a guy who also has some potential as a pass rusher.

Yeah I mean Harmon feels like the perfect fit next to Osa. I think he gives you more than Grant even though I really like Grant. But call it a little of the Mazi fear. I'm just wondering if a guy who can fill in for Mazi on pass rush downs and dominate isn't more impactful than a one tech who is just better than Mazi. And guys like Nolan and Sanders can certainly play snaps at 1 tech but they give you a lot in terms of impacting the passing game too.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I'm probably an outlier on this, but I wouldn't be surprised if we traded down a bit and took Hampton.

Surprised? No but I wouldn't want to do that. Not unless we are trading way down. And I'm talking second and third round compensation to do it.

Otherwise I feel like we got a second round player in the first. And I don't want to do that for say a third round pick. Or even worse just a fourth. So for me to take Hampton I would want a big haul for moving down into the mid 20s.

 

[NoDak]

I'm probably an outlier on this, but I wouldn't be surprised if we traded down a bit and took Hampton.

If we're only dropping a few spots, I'd still feel it was a bit early for him. But if we're down into the 20's, that would make me feel better about it, if it came along with a 2nd or higher 3rd, along with maybe some future considerations.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

If we're only dropping a few spots, I'd still feel it was a bit early for him. But if we're down into the 20's, that would make me feel better about it, if it came along with a 2nd or higher 3rd, along with maybe some future considerations.

Lots of pundits have Denver taking him at 20. So taking him at 17 or 18 I think would be fine.

I do like him more than some, I guess, but plenty of others have him in that area so I don't think it's just me.

To C-Rock, when you say a "second round player" do you mean a second round grade (as in, there are only 14 first round players in this draft) or literally he shouldn't be taken until the second round?

 

[Cowboysrock55]

If we're only dropping a few spots, I'd still feel it was a bit early for him. But if we're down into the 20's, that would make me feel better about it, if it came along with a 2nd or higher 3rd, along with maybe some future considerations.

If you drop to the 20th pick in the draft, you should be getting a second round pick in return. That's reasonable compensation. And I know some have mentioned that you may have to take under value to trade down in this draft. But I'm not trading down into the 20s for poor value to turn around and take a RB. Just my opinion.

So hypothetically if the Steelers wanted to come up to 12 to take their QB? They don't even have a second round pick so the talk with have to start with their first round pick next year. I doubt the Steelers move up, they don't seem like that sort of team, but if I'm only getting a third round pick in return I'm not leaving the teens of the draft. Anything further than say pick 16 or 17 you should be getting at least a second round pick. I wouldn't take a blood bath in order to justify taking a RB with my top pick. That kind of seems silly in this particular draft that is packed with RBs.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Lots of pundits have Denver taking him at 20. So taking him at 17 or 18 I think would be fine.

I do like him more than some, I guess, but plenty of others have him in that area so I don't think it's just me.

To C-Rock, when you say a "second round player" do you mean a second round grade (as in, there are only 14 first round players in this draft) or literally he shouldn't be taken until the second round?

When I say second round player, I mean a guy who is very similar to RBs you'll see go in the second round. I don't view him as signficantly better than the Kaleb Johnson/Henderson/Judkins types. All guys who could go second round.

 

[Rev]

Surprised? No but I wouldn't want to do that. Not unless we are trading way down. And I'm talking second and third round compensation to do it.

Otherwise I feel like we got a second round player in the first. And I don't want to do that for say a third round pick. Or even worse just a fourth. So for me to take Hampton I would want a big haul for moving down into the mid 20s.

Cowboys collect 5th round picks.

 

[ravidubey]

Agree, no DT until the 6th in a great DT draft would make me sick.

I sense this happening, unfortunately.

This team is all about drafting edge, LBs, and corners

 

[NoDak]

I sense this happening, unfortunately.

This team is all about drafting edge, LBs, and corners

We've taken 10 big bodies on the DL in the first 4 rounds in the last 10 years.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

We've taken 10 big bodies on the DL in the first 4 rounds in the last 10 years.

Yeah we draft DT's. We just haven't been great at it outside of Osa. I'm hoping it has been more of a coaches picking players issue and less of a "our scouts suck at it" issue. I will say there was a period of time where we didn't seem to draft many DTs but that's changed over the last what 5-10 years?

Meanwhile fans bitch about the drafting of corners. But who was the last corner we drafted in the first round? Byron Jones? We have a few in the second in Bossman, Diggs and Chido. Only one of which was a miss.

 

[Simpleton]

Yeah I mean Harmon feels like the perfect fit next to Osa. I think he gives you more than Grant even though I really like Grant. But call it a little of the Mazi fear. I'm just wondering if a guy who can fill in for Mazi on pass rush downs and dominate isn't more impactful than a one tech who is just better than Mazi. And guys like Nolan and Sanders can certainly play snaps at 1 tech but they give you a lot in terms of impacting the passing game too.

I don't think there's any chance we take Grant but I think he's pretty solidly a better prospect than Mazi.

Mazi was a guy expected to go about 25-35, whereas Grant looks like a 15-25 guy to me.

His statistical production alone is significantly better than Mazi with 12 TFL and 6.5 sacks his last two years compared to 7 TFL and 0.5 sacks for Mazi.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

His statistical production alone is significantly better than Mazi with 12 TFL and 6.5 sacks his last two years compared to 7 TFL and 0.5 sacks for Mazi.

He is better than Mazi in my book. I like Grant. I don't think we draft him either unless it's a trade down and he is just clearly best available.

 

[ravidubey]

DT’s in the last 10 years top 4 rounds: Smith(1), Osa (3), Gallimore(3), Hill(2), Collins(3)— we suck, and more than a little. Three busts. one journeymen, and a solid player worth resigning but not foundational. Woo hoo!!!

DT’s the last 19 years: same fing list

Parcells drafted “DE’s” (really DT’s in a 4-3 scheme) Jason Hatcher in 2006, and Chris Canty and Marcus Spears a year earlier and was overridden by Jerry in 2003 or would have drafted another.

That dude knew what he was doing, laying the foundation of a team that became an elite competitor.

 

[Simpleton]

DT’s in the last 10 years top 4 rounds: Smith(1), Osa (3), Gallimore(3), Hill(2), Collins(3)— we suck, and more than a little. Three busts. one journeymen, and a solid player worth resigning but not foundational. Woo hoo!!!

DT’s the last 19 years: same fing list

Parcells drafted “DE’s” (really DT’s in a 4-3 scheme) Jason Hatcher in 2006, and Chris Canty and Marcus Spears a year earlier and was overridden by Jerry in 2003 or would have drafted another.

That dude knew what he was doing, laying the foundation of a team that became an elite competitor.

I agree with your overall point but the teams we had in 2014, 2016 and between 2021-23 were at least as good, if not better in some instances than the 2006 and 2007 teams Parcells built.

 

[ravidubey]

I agree with your overall point but the teams we had in 2014, 2016 and between 2021-23 were at least as good, if not better in some instances than the 2006 and 2007 teams Parcells built.

I strongly disagree they were as good, especially defensively.

The 2014 team had some rag tag defenders who began dropping like flies late in the year. Neither 2014 nor 2016 could stop the run, and thankfully in each case we had an offense built to play keep-away behind an all-timer OL lineup and backs in Murray and Elliott that ground opposing defenses down to our level. Then we added an extremely accurate kicker who scored if we even got close.

Balanced offenses destroyed us from 2021-2023 to the point where I’d say any defensive success at all was a direct function of strength of opponent and nothing more. We beat up some baaad teams in the early 2020’s, and lost very consistently to every elite team.

Meanwhile that 2007 team lost to Philly in the Jessica Simpson game, the Patriots who went undefeated, a meaningless final game vs Carolina, and then to the eventual Superbowl winning Giants whom we dominated for three and a half games. They killed most else by double digits.

They were clearly the best team in the NFC for 67 of 68 quarters. Those other teams weren’t close.

 

[NoDak]

DT’s in the last 10 years top 4 rounds: Smith(1), Osa (3), Gallimore(3), Hill(2), Collins(3)— we suck, and more than a little. Three busts. one journeymen, and a solid player worth resigning but not foundational. Woo hoo!!!

DT’s the last 19 years: same fing list

Parcells drafted “DE’s” (really DT’s in a 4-3 scheme) Jason Hatcher in 2006, and Chris Canty and Marcus Spears a year earlier and was overridden by Jerry in 2003 or would have drafted another.

That dude knew what he was doing, laying the foundation of a team that became an elite competitor.

Nobody said we were good at it. But you made it sound like we never take them. Which is not true.

Oh, and Hatcher, Spears and Canty were nothing special.

 

[ravidubey]

Nobody said we were good at it. But you made it sound like we never take them. Which is not true.

Oh, and Hatcher, Spears and Canty were nothing special.

Ok you got me. Some busts and one half-decent overpriced guy redeem us for mostly ignoring our house’s foundation over the last two decades.

Canty and Hatcher were strong foundational guys who we were unable to sign back and our defense suffered as a result. It’s exactly this concept that a guy like Jerry can’t grasp. Jerry couldn’t understand why the Giants signed Canty for 6 years 42 million with nearly 18 guaranteed. The Giants damned well knew how important he was.

You have a point with Spears, though he was better vs the run than I ever gave him credit for.

 

[Simpleton]

I strongly disagree they were as good, especially defensively.

The 2014 team had some rag tag defenders who began dropping like flies late in the year. Neither 2014 nor 2016 could stop the run, and thankfully in each case we had an offense built to play keep-away behind an all-timer OL lineup and backs in Murray and Elliott that ground opposing defenses down to our level. Then we added an extremely accurate kicker who scored if we even got close.

Balanced offenses destroyed us from 2021-2023 to the point where I’d say any defensive success at all was a direct function of strength of opponent and nothing more. We beat up some baaad teams in the early 2020’s, and lost very consistently to every elite team.

Meanwhile that 2007 team lost to Philly in the Jessica Simpson game, the Patriots who went undefeated, a meaningless final game vs Carolina, and then to the eventual Superbowl winning Giants whom we dominated for three and a half games. They killed most else by double digits.

They were clearly the best team in the NFC for 67 of 68 quarters. Those other teams weren’t close.

The defenses weren't as good but the entirety of the team, and being able to "compete at an elite level" were very similar despite your complaints about the interior DL.

And let's not pretend like that 2007 defense was dominant, they were good but not dominant by any means.

 

[NoDak]

Ok you got me. Some busts and one half-decent overpriced guy redeem us for mostly ignoring our house’s foundation over the last two decades.

Canty and Hatcher were strong foundational guys who we were unable to sign back and our defense suffered as a result. It’s exactly this concept that a guy like Jerry can’t grasp. Jerry couldn’t understand why the Giants signed Canty for 6 years 42 million with nearly 18 guaranteed. The Giants damned well knew how important he was.

You have a point with Spears, though he was better vs the run than I ever gave him credit for.

Nobody said anything about reeding shit, Mr. Dramatics. My only comment was about you stating we don’t ever draft them. Which is false.

And I stand by those three mentioned as being nothing special. They were ok players. Nothing more. No matter how much you fluff them up. Foundational…. Yeah. Sure.