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Irving Cowboy

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I won't dur you for that.

So you think most vets won't vote because they don't like either side? Do any polls show that? I don't claim to know a lot of vets but the demographic they - at least the enlisted ones - seem to be in favors Trump pretty strongly.
Here in SE VA the vet presence is very strong. I still keep in touch with many of the people I served with even though I retired 14 years ago. There obviously are those who do support him, but a strong contingent of them are completely turned off by him because they (we) see him as someone who has just as much regard/respect for the active duty troops and veterans as your everyday Democrat.
 

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Roughly six-in-ten veterans (59%) identify as Republican or Republican-leaning, compared with 44% of all U.S. adults. Meanwhile, 39% of veterans identify as Democrats or lean toward the Democratic Party, compared with 51% of all adults.

 

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I won't dur you for that.

So you think most vets won't vote because they don't like either side? Do any polls show that? I don't claim to know a lot of vets but the demographic they - at least the enlisted ones - seem to be in favors Trump pretty strongly.
I work in the defense industry. Very few of the people whom I interact with like him or his policies, but many said they’re voting for him because they like Democrats even less. In fact, a great many of them were disgusted with the Afghanistan exit deal that Trump negotiated and that Biden honored and executed. They blame Trump for negotiating with terrorist organizations and providing them the dates and details of the exit strategy, as they had concerns that it would empower them in the area. And, they (rightfully) blame Biden for executing a terrible and dangerous deal.
 

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About a third of veterans who turned 18 between 1972 and 2016 identified as Democratic. Just more than half said they were Republican, and 16.7 percent were Independent.

I'm a defense contractor, I've been one since I retired. I can tell you what I know, and that's that there's a LOT of resentment toward him and his constant bashing of the military.

Your article of course doesn't tell you anything about the current feelings of veterans toward Trump, which is pretty bad. I will tell you this... he didn't gain a whole lot of supporters from the military while he was in office.
 

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I work in the defense industry. Very few of the people whom I interact with like him or his policies, but many said they’re voting for him because they like Democrats even less. In fact, a great many of them were disgusted with the Afghanistan exit deal that Trump negotiated and that Biden honored and executed. They blame Trump for negotiating with terrorist organizations and providing them the dates and details of the exit strategy, as they had concerns that it would empower them in the area. And, they (rightfully) blame Biden for executing a terrible and dangerous deal.
You have to be kidding me. Biden just executed Trump's plan? Trump has said a thousand times he wouldn't have done it the same way -- who would? -- that you obviously don't remove everyone that fast and at the same time, that you obviously get the civilians out first and in an organized way, and you take the military out last.

Also that he wouldn't have left all that expensive equipment behind and just handed Bagram over to the Afghans/Chinese.

But if you're in the defense industry, I do see why you would hate Trump.
 

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I work in the defense industry. Very few of the people whom I interact with like him or his policies, but many said they’re voting for him because they like Democrats even less. In fact, a great many of them were disgusted with the Afghanistan exit deal that Trump negotiated and that Biden honored and executed. They blame Trump for negotiating with terrorist organizations and providing them the dates and details of the exit strategy, as they had concerns that it would empower them in the area. And, they (rightfully) blame Biden for executing a terrible and dangerous deal.
I've been a defense contractor for all but one year since I retired. Much of the industry, both military and civilian see him as a blowhard who , when it came to the military, failed to deliver on his promises, outright lied about his achievements, and was unabashedly disrespectful toward those in uniform.
 

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You have to be kidding me. Biden just executed Trump's plan? Trump has said a thousand times he wouldn't have done it the same way -- who would? -- that you obviously don't remove everyone that fast and at the same time, that you obviously get the civilians out first and in an organized way, and you take the military out last.

Also that he wouldn't have left all that expensive equipment behind and just handed Bagram over to the Afghans/Chinese.

But if you're in the defense industry, I do see why you would hate Trump.
Wasn't it Trump who negotiated the withdrawal with the Taliban?

Wasn't it Trump who negotiated the release of what, 5,000 terrorists from jail over there?

Leave it to Trump to MMQB his plan that was executed by his successor.
 

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Wasn't it Trump who negotiated the withdrawal with the Taliban?

Wasn't it Trump who negotiated the release of what, 5,000 terrorists from jail over there?

Leave it to Trump to MMQB his plan that was executed by his successor.
Most Americans agreed with leaving that place after so many years. It's not the leaving that was the problem, it was the way it was done.

So you think Trump would have done it exactly the same disastrous way?

Wait, of course you do. Let me guess, he'd have done it even worse, right?
 

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Most Americans agreed with leaving that place after so many years. It's not the leaving that was the problem, it was the way it was done.

So you think Trump would have done it exactly the same disastrous way?

Wait, of course you do. Let me guess, he'd have done it even worse, right?
He would have done it his way, and if it went south, he would be blaming everyone but himself. If you think for one second that ass would take responsibility for anything that ever went wrong, you haven't been awake for the past 8 years.

How he was raised.
 

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JFC, who cares about the blame/credit. It was a disaster that got our kids killed and handed billions of dollars worth of equipment to our enemies.

Did Biden take the blame? I don't remember him doing that.

Like I said though, I totally get now why you hate Trump. Ending the forever wars isn't good for the defense contracting industry.
 

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Did Biden take the blame? I don't remember him doing that.
You're right. Biden and Harris stood back and let that shit happen, and I agree with the fact that no one being fired for that shitshow is just as embarrassing as the evolution itself.

Like I said though, I totally get now why you hate Trump. Ending the forever wars isn't good for the defense contracting industry.
You have no idea what you are talking about... I don't work in a sector that builds bombs, bullets, or other consumables, so it he doesn't impact me in that way.
 

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I won't dur you for that.

So you think most vets won't vote because they don't like either side? Do any polls show that? I don't claim to know a lot of vets but the demographic they - at least the enlisted ones - seem to be in favors Trump pretty strongly.


I know quite a few and not one, that I can think of, is voting for Harris.
 

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I know quite a few and not one, that I can think of, is voting for Harris.
Why does that not surprise me? I'm not so myopic that I would even think of saying that I don't know of one veteran who will vote for Trump. Think of how ridiculous you sound.

My point has been there is a major block of veteran voters that are choosing not to vote for President this cycle.
 
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