2023 Season | Week 6 | Gameday Chatter Thread | Cowboys @ Chargers | 10/15/2023

[Irving Cowboy]

The officiating is so bad league wide in terms of even the simplest things like spotting the ball, and establishing what the LOS is (which coincidentally is what is leading to all these offsides penalties as guys are lining up mostly even with the ball on almost every snap), that it's completely bastardizing the game.

The league basically doesn't give a single fuck about properly legislating the sport, it's purely about PR/perception, ratings and money.

They'll fuck up 10 calls but as long as they don't get roasted for not calling some marginal personal foul/roughing the passer penalty, it's all good.

Some of these refs this year could get their SAG cards right now.

Of course that would leave the league in a lurch because they would have to be on strike.

 

[Simpleton]

It's not ill-timed, he's quite capable of a mediocre 20 point performance. It's been this way for years now, the angst against him is overdue.

He's a bus driver and this performance was the ultimate bus drive. It's actually ignorant to excuse him just because the defense won a game for him and he didn't throw a pick.

I'm over it. I want a QB who can push the offense.

This wasn't a bus driver game just because the defense played well. The Giants was a bus driver game, the Jets was something of a bus driver game, in this game he was the only one making plays to keep the offense moving, often times in 3rd and 5+ while under pressure.

The OL was giving up pressure every third snap and Pollard was averaging about 2 YPC, Dak scrambling around making sandlot plays was about all they had offensively.

It's ok to acknowledge when he plays really well while still maintaining that he's mostly a bus driver.

 

[boozeman]

They could have thrown a flag here too if they wanted to.

 

[boozeman]

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Wasn’t the Cowboys player blocked into Turpin? The rule says that’s not a foul. Obviously the hands to the face is a different story.

The Chargers player hit Turpin.

 

[Simpleton]

The biggest thing I saw from Dak was last night was quick decision making in the pocket on when to bail/get outside the pocket and make plays with his feet or buy time downfield. He looks way more mechanical/rigid in the pocket than he used to, and he sometimes runs himself into sacks because his vision is average, but he needs to keep looking to get outside the pocket without dithering around.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I knew that shit didn't look right last night. Otherwise you'd have teams purposely doing it every week.

The only gray area is the term "passive player". Makes me wonder if they're saying this rule doesn't apply because a Cowboys player was actively blocking.

Yep, pretty sure that's it. We've seen this play before. It's the receiving team's responsibility to not get blocked into the returner. That's why you'll see the blockers peeling off from their man as they get closer to the return man. The returner is yelling or somehow letting the blocker know when he's too close and the blocker is supposed to let the guy go then.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Yep, pretty sure that's it. We've seen this play before. It's the receiving team's responsibility to not get blocked into the returner. That's why you'll see the blockers peeling off from their man as they get closer to the return man. The returner is yelling or somehow letting the blocker know when he's too close and the blocker is supposed to let the guy go then.

The reason for that is you don't want the ball to hit off your blocker. You see it happen all too often where the ball hits a blocker in the back.

 

[data]

Prescott credited with 7 rushes. I’m guessing that’s his most since his broken leg. The offense is better when he capitalizes on scrambling opportunities.

 

[Prodigal_Son]

Nothing matters. We should have lost this game by 10+. The defense couldn't generate pressure and Herbert had opportunities to make plays. The only reason we won is cause he overthrew Allen on two wide open shots downfield that would have resulted in scores.

Add to it the OL's regression and we will get feasted on by most teams that are playoff bound.

 

[boozeman]

 

[boozeman]

Prescott credited with 7 rushes. I’m guessing that’s his most since his broken leg. The offense is better when he capitalizes on scrambling opportunities.

The embarrassing part is that he was our leading rusher.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

The reason for that is you don't want the ball to hit off your blocker. You see it happen all too often where the ball hits a blocker in the back.

That's true too, but they also don't want the traffic in their face when they're trying to catch the ball.

I mean, it's football. You're supposed to block the guy. You shouldn't be letting him push you around wherever he wants you to go.

 

[boozeman]

 

[boozeman]

 

[Texas Ace]

Regardless of the game's ugliness, you always have to appreciate an INT to seal the win.

Such a rarity for us in the DCC era.

And yet we've done it quite a few times since Dan Quinn came aboard.

 

[Simpleton]

Here's the thing with Dak, we can obviously do better so I'd be on the search for those opportunities while making churning-type high reward (even if low probability) moves like the Lance trade. With that said, I also think there's a pathway to a Super Bowl appearance if you have a 2017 Eagles/2021 Rams-type environment.

That means top tier defense, which we arguably have, especially when healthy, and either a really strong running game and/or innovative offensive design. That's not an easy needle to thread but it's there, and most teams around the league are in almost the exact same position aside from the Chiefs, Bengals and maybe Bills. There are no other QB's in the league besides those three who can carry their team to a Super Bowl without at least 2/3 of elite defense, elite running game/OL, and elite offensive design.

The unfortunate reality of the situation is that SF has our number, Dak's number, whatever you want to call it, and our offensive design isn't good enough to overcome that. Aside from that one particular matchup Dak has played well in the playoffs and been decent enough to get us to consistently get us double digit wins during the regular season.

He clearly can't be paid like a top 5 QB, but a Stafford-type deal that makes him like the 8th-10th highest paid QB in the league?

You can feasibly build a good enough team around him in that case, it isn't easy or a lock, but it can be done and has been done in the last 5-10 years.

So would I trade up for someone like Maye if he fell to 12? Sure. Would I take McCarthy if he fell to 25? Sure.

But there's also a pathway with Dak, even if relatively narrow, and it obviously takes having a very good roster around him and top tier coaching, especially offensively.

The hyperbole about him being Tony Banks or not even a starting caliber QB is just bullshit that is likely people projecting their anger because the Cowboys haven't done shit for nearly 30 years.

 

[boozeman]

He is conservative to our detriment.

 

[boozeman]

 

[Cotton]

Gallup needs to go away. I was a big supporter, but he is not good.