2021 Season, Week 2 | Gameday Chatter Thread | Cowboys @ Chargers | 09/19/21

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Texas Ace said:
Not only is it not PI, but even if there was some contact, referees have generally allowed more leeway in regards to aggressive contact if the defender makes a play on the ball and gets a pick.

That was a brutally bad call and I think if the interception stands, we win that game by 10 points.
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That play is one of the reasons why I don't feel bad at all about the questionable "sack" they gave Parsons. That contact by Samuel was more egregious than the one they called on Kearse to take away an INT.

So they basically gave the Chargers an extra drive if they call both those plays the same. Either both are calls or both are non-calls, either way we lose a possession while the Chargers gain one since both went in their favor.

Plus, even if the Parsons play wasn't a "sack", it should've been intentional grounding since the ball didn't even get back to the LOS. Whether or not it was a sack is irrelevant, one way or the other the Chargers should've ran their next play from where Herbert threw it.
 
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Texas Ace said:
At the 2 minute warning, no less.

This was about as idiotic a call as you'll see from a coach and it screams a lack of situational awareness.

What are the odds of actually connecting on a punt block? I would venture to say about the same as recovering an onside kick?

So to attempt that there after the defense had come up with a really big stop and practically ensured we'd take the lead and the momentum into the half is just inexcusably stupid.

I'm really getting tired of Fassel's blunders.
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I'll take it a step further and say that even attempting to block punts is generally not worth the risk. How often does each team get a punt block?

Maybe once a year? Maybe not even that?

Is that worth the risk of extending a drive, even if it only happens once or twice a year?

I have no idea what the exact stats on this are but it feels like roughing/running into the kicker penalties to extend drives happen way more than punt blocks, so I'd argue that you shouldn't even bother going after the block at all, and rather only provide nominal pressure so that the punter can't just hold onto the ball and let the coverage unit get downfield.
 
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It's unreal how often he isn't blocked out of plays but instead takes himself out of position.

I would love to be a fly on the wall in a meeting where the guy explains his thinking on any given play like that.
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I'd love to hear what the coaches say about him when Jerry isn't around... and the conversations they have with Jerry about him.
 
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Simpleton said:
Plus, even if the Parsons play wasn't a "sack", it should've been intentional grounding since the ball didn't even get back to the LOS. Whether or not it was a sack is irrelevant, one way or the other the Chargers should've ran their next play from where Herbert threw it.
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Correct.
 
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Simpleton said:
I'll take it a step further and say that even attempting to block punts is generally not worth the risk. How often does each team get a punt block?

Maybe once a year? Maybe not even that?

Is that worth the risk of extending a drive, even if it only happens once or twice a year?

I have no idea what the exact stats on this are but it feels like roughing/running into the kicker penalties to extend drives happen way more than punt blocks, so I'd argue that you shouldn't even bother going after the block at all, and rather only provide nominal pressure so that the punter can't just hold onto the ball and let the coverage unit get downfield.
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Agreed 100% which is why I brought up onside kicks.

It's just a play that rarely succeeds, and what's even funnier is, the punt blocks you do see hardly even come from an aggressive punt block attempt and instead typically comes from one guy leaking in due to a missed assignment.

The only time you really even see an all out punt block attempt is at the end of games when a team is about to get the ball for the last time and they are faced with a situation where they have to go the length of the field with less than a minute to play and no timeouts in their possession.

So again, calling that play there just makes no sense whatsoever.
 
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I agree that the punt block call was a poor time and place yesterday in that situation, but I don't think it makes sense to just remove the call from all circumstances ever.

There's a time and place for it, certainly. McCarthy said they saw something they thought they could exploit. I think it's good they are identifying things they think they can take advantage of. That's what you want from your coaching staff.

Just bad timing for it.

But I don't think it's a big ask to tell your players to just not hit the punter.
 
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Genghis Khan said:
I agree that the punt block call was a poor time and place yesterday in that situation, but I don't think it makes sense to just remove the call from all circumstances ever.

There's a time and place for it, certainly. McCarthy said they saw something they thought they could exploit. I think it's good they are identifying things they think they can take advantage of. That's what you want from your coaching staff.

Just bad timing for it.

But I don't think it's a big ask to tell your players to just not hit the punter.
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Yeah just a stupid time, position on the field, down and distance to do it. Punt blocks have their place but not in that situation.
 
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Lost in all this is the greatness of a clutch Greg the Leg. How bout that mofo?! That kick had at least 5-10 more yards on it.
 
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p1_ said:
Lost in all this is the greatness of a clutch Greg the Leg. How bout that mofo?! That kick had at least 5-10 more yards on it.
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I was happy to see the Cowboys add a place kicker (Lirim Hajrullahu) to the practice squad last week, for insurance, because they needed some.

It was a clutch kick yesterday. No doubt about it.
 
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