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The injuns have no problem with it. At all. So, why should anyone else? I get tired of people being offended for other people. Drives me nuts.
The disgusting history behind those genocidal bounties of the skins of men women and children makes me personally ill. But I'm not out campaigning to change some kid's favorite team name because it offends me personally

In hindsight I'm personally glad they did change the name (lame as the new one is), but fuck the woke-wagon in general.
 

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The disgusting history behind those genocidal bounties of the skins of men women and children makes me personally ill. But I'm not out campaigning to change some kid's favorite team name because it offends me personally

In hindsight I'm personally glad they did change the name (lame as the new one is), but fuck the woke-wagon in general.
You do know they scalped many many many white men and took them back to their tribes as trophies, right?

The white men just won, and are being demonized to this day for it.
 

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You do know they scalped many many many white men and took them back to their tribes as trophies, right?

The white men just won, and are being demonized to this day for it.
Yeah, war just fucking sucks, and genocide is worse. Losing sucks ass, especially when you did not start the fight.

I don't think white people today should be vilified for any of it.

It's a perfect case study as to why a real military is critical, because people in general, irrespective of race, are assholes and they will take your shit away from you if they can.

Like when the Poles tried fighting Hitler's tanks with mounted cavalry armed with lances. They got their asses handed to them same way the Native Americans did when confronted with mounted riders and mass-produced rifles and cannons.

If there was some term used to describe defeated Polish flesh trophies, I'd not be happy about naming a team after that either. And I still wouldn't beat someone with woke-stick about it
 

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Yeah, war just fucking sucks, and genocide is worse. Losing sucks ass, especially when you did not start the fight.

I don't think white people today should be vilified for any of it.

It's a perfect case study as to why a real military is critical, because people in general, irrespective of race, are assholes and they will take your shit away from you if they can.

Like when the Poles tried fighting Hitler's tanks with mounted cavalry armed with lances. They got their asses handed to them same way the Native Americans did when confronted with mounted riders and mass-produced rifles and cannons.

If there was some term used to describe defeated Polish flesh trophies, I'd not be happy about naming a team after that either. And I still wouldn't beat someone with woke-stick about it
I agree that war sucks.
 

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The injuns have no problem with it. At all. So, why should anyone else? I get tired of people being offended for other people. Drives me nuts.
That's not true at all.

I've seen plenty of both.

It's not for me to decide what should and shouldn't be offensive to an ethnic group that I don't belong to so personally I don't care one way or the other what they do or did with the Redskins name.

But to say that all of them are good with it is just outright false.
 

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That's not true at all.

I've seen plenty of both.

It's not for me to decide what should and shouldn't be offensive to an ethnic group that I don't belong to so personally I don't care one way or the other what they do or did with the Redskins name.

But to say that all of them are good with it is just outright false.
They polled them, and a very small minority of them actually had an issue with it.
 

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My biggest issue was if they wanted to make it right and support the history of the team as well as the heritage of the people then why not ask them what a respectful name would be and go with something like that. The could have become the Cherokee or even just Warriors.
 

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My biggest issue was if they wanted to make it right and support the history of the team as well as the heritage of the people then why not ask them what a respectful name would be and go with something like that. The could have become the Cherokee or even just Warriors.
This is the correct way.
 

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My biggest issue was if they wanted to make it right and support the history of the team as well as the heritage of the people then why not ask them what a respectful name would be and go with something like that. The could have become the Cherokee or even just Warriors.
That is EXACTLY what I suggested myself in this very thread some time ago.

Because by doing it this way, not only does this goodwill gesture reflect positively on the organization in the public eye, it also allows you to keep the identity of the franchise intact as opposed to completely changing everything.

At worst, you probably have to change the logo somewhat but you'd get to keep the general theme in place and all of the team lore still applies.

But no, that apparently made too much sense to anyone up in DC.
 
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I hate how sensitive we've become as a society and I can't stand this woke movement.

With that being said, it surprises me as to why people can't understand why Native Americans being used as team mascots are offensive.

I personally don't give a shit, but I do understand the concept of a using a human being or ethnic group as a team mascot being offensive, or at the very least, inappropriate.

"Indians", "Redskins", and even Seminoles aren't characters out of comic book or some other fictional medium.....they're a real life ethnic group.

For example, what if someone decided they wanted to make the team mascot the "Rednecks" or "Trailer Trash"?

And what if the logo that accompanied that name was some stereotypical idea of what that sort of person looks like or that persona consists of? Imagine a middle aged white guy with jean shorts and a t-shirt with the sleeves cut off, a cap on, a cigarette in his mouth and an "Ain't Skeered" tattoo on his arm?

It wouldn't matter how many other people who aren't white thought it was funny or didn't mind it, I'm willing to bet there would be a lot of white people from impoverished communities and even some who aren't poor but grow up or live in small towns across America who wouldn't care for it.

I know @mcnuttz has said a time or two on this board how he doesn't care for how it just seems to be ok to lump him into that group and/or label he and his family as rednecks or other offensive terms used to describe lower class white people simply because he lives in a small southern town.

So on that basis alone, I get why Native Americans are against the use of their history being used as a team mascot because they aren't fictional characters -- they're people.

If you don't understand that concept, then I guess the argument against it will never make sense to you.
 

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And what if the logo that accompanied that name was some stereotypical idea of what that sort of person looks like or that persona consists of? Imagine a middle aged white guy with jean shorts and a t-shirt with the sleeves cut off, a cap on, a cigarette in his mouth and an "Ain't Skeered" tattoo on his arm?
Like the fighting Irish?

In all fairness those are derogatory terms. I don't think Seminole is a derogatory term for example. I could see how Redskins could be construed as a derogatory term though.
 

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With that being said, it surprises me as to why people can't understand why Native Americans being used as team mascots are offensive.

I personally don't give a shit, but I do understand the concept of a using a human being or ethnic group being offensive, or at the very least, inappropriate.
Don't teams pick their mascots because of how bad ass they are? Lions, Tigers, etc.? Wouldn't it be a compliment to be a team mascot in any manner? They aren't making fun of them or slurring them. They are saying, we want a badass mascot, and the Redskins, Indians, and Chiefs mascots give a nod to how badass they were/are.
 

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I hate how sensitive we've become as a society and I can't stand this woke movement.

With that being said, it surprises me as to why people can't understand why Native Americans being used as team mascots are offensive.

I personally don't give a shit, but I do understand the concept of a using a human being or ethnic group as a team mascot being offensive, or at the very least, inappropriate.

"Indians", "Redskins", and even Seminoles aren't characters out of comic book or some other fictional medium.....they're a real life ethnic group.

For example, what if someone decided they wanted to make the team mascot the "Rednecks" or "Trailer Trash"?

And what if the logo that accompanied that name was some stereotypical idea of what that sort of person looks like or that persona consists of? Imagine a middle aged white guy with jean shorts and a t-shirt with the sleeves cut off, a cap on, a cigarette in his mouth and an "Ain't Skeered" tattoo on his arm?

It wouldn't matter how many other people who aren't white thought it was funny or didn't mind it, I'm willing to bet there would be a lot of white people from impoverished communities and even some who aren't poor but grow up or live in small towns across America who wouldn't care for it.

I know @mcnuttz has said a time or two on this board how he doesn't care for how it just seems to be ok to lump him into that group and/or label he and his family as rednecks or other offensive terms used to describe lower class white people simply because he lives in a small southern town.

So on that basis alone, I get why Native Americans are against the use of their history being used as a team mascot because they aren't fictional characters -- they're people.

If you don't understand that concept, then I guess the argument against it will never make sense to you.
I understand what you are saying but don’t you feel like there is a way to honor them through the team name? There are other groups that are represented this way that don’t find it offensive.
 

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Like the fighting Irish?

In all fairness those are derogatory terms. I don't think Seminole is a derogatory term for example. I could see how Redskins could be construed as a derogatory term though.
Yeah, the Fighting Irish could be viewed that way, sure.

Again, it's just generally accepted. But if one day people of Irish ancestry got together and decided they didn't want their heritage used that way, it wouldn't be my place as someone who isn't Irish to tell them what they should and shouldn't be offended by in regards to their heritage, culture, or ethnicity.

And yes, I agree -- Redskin is the one term of them all that definitely has a negative connotation associated with it.

I mean, would you go around calling an Asian person a "Yellowskin"?
 

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Again, it's just generally accepted. But if one day people of Irish ancestry got together and decided they didn't want their heritage used that way, it wouldn't be my place as someone who isn't Irish to tell them what they should and shouldn't be offended by in regards to their heritage, culture, or ethnicity.
That's the issue, though. The Indians have not "gotten together and decided they didn't want their heritage used that way". That was made up by white people guilt shaming people into believing what they think is a slur even though the people that are of that lineage don't really care for the most part.
 
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