2023 Random Cowboys Stuff Thread

[Cotton]

Because you can't see the tweet, they are tagging Pollard.

 

[ravidubey]

I'm workshopping something real nice about Bresee being a dynamic interior presence

I also like Bresee and think his combine performance has probably cemented him as a 1st rounder. Kancy is also a fine choice.

And yes you should let the draft come to you, except when you have a clear need and the player is in the ballpark.

Last year we clearly reached for Sam Williams as much as a full round early, but in the end what does it matter when you have no trade partners and you landed a good (and maybe better than good) player at a position of need?

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I'm workshopping something real nice about Bresee being a dynamic interior presence, but at an actual prototypical size compared to Kancey. I'd be fine with Kancey in the first but Bresee is arguably right there with him despite the stats.

Problem is I have no faith in these dullards taking either, probably because their arms aren't long enough or whatever.

I'd have to go back and watch Bresee again. Klancey's tape is crazy good. If he was 6'4" 300 pounds he would be a top 10-15 pick.

 

[ravidubey]

BTW, if there is a great value at WR, OL, etc. falling, I'm all for grabbing that player too.

I'm not totally fixated on DT.

But we need to draft one, and preferably early in the draft.

 

[boozeman]

Once Elon fixes Twitter, you will see that Cowboys Legend Terrance Williams is dominating play in Mexico.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Last year we clearly reached for Sam Williams

The way he looked last year it wasn't a reach. Looked to me like a guy most would love to get in the late second. Who knows what other teams graded him, you can only worry about your own grades.

 

[ravidubey]

I'd have to go back and watch Bresee again. Klancey's tape is crazy good. If he was 6'4" 300 pounds he would be a top 10-15 pick.

Donald had the same knock against him, not big enough.

If the player is talented enough, they can trump size. It's rare, but happens every draft.

 

[ravidubey]

The way he looked last year it wasn't a reach. Looked to me like a guy most would love to get in the late second. Who knows what other teams graded him, you can only worry about your own grades.

The point is we drafted him significantly earlier than most people had him, and as you said it didn't matter the way he looked and ended up performing.

Getting the player(s) you want sometimes means forgetting about working the draft perfectly and getting the exact value in a trade

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Donald had the same knock against him, not big enough.

If the player is talented enough, they can trump size. It's rare, but happens every draft.

I prefer the 6'6" 315 pound type DTs who are athletic. But when I watched Kancey, I realized it's not that important to me.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

The point is we drafted him significantly earlier than most people had him, and as you said it didn't matter the way he looked and ended up performing.

Yeah, I have no idea where he would have gone if we didn't take him. He was a wild card because of the off field character thing. I'm not talking about what I think other teams will do. I'm saying those NTs don't rank with me as a first round quality guy.

And I'm a big Mazi fan. His character and work ethic are elite. But he isn't a first round NT. I also feel confident he will be a good long term NFL player.

 

[p1_]

Once Elon fixes Twitter, you will see that Cowboys Legend Terrance Williams is dominating play in Mexico.

 

[ravidubey]

I prefer the 6'6" 315 pound type DTs who are athletic. But when I watched Kancey, I realized it's not that important to me.

He'll also put on weight at the next level, and I really like his height/weight ratio at 6'1" and 280. Combined with his natural quickness he could be a handful.

I really doubt he's available at 26 as he's one of those players people are talking about. Someone out there will take him, just like they took Donald before we could in 2014.

Zack Martin was a Hell of a nice consolation prize though

 

[ravidubey]

Yeah, Kancey just set the fastest 40 time by a DT since 2006.

No way he's there at 26

 

[Simpleton]

I also like Bresee and think his combine performance has probably cemented him as a 1st rounder. Kancy is also a fine choice.

And yes you should let the draft come to you, except when you have a clear need and the player is in the ballpark.

Last year we clearly reached for Sam Williams as much as a full round early, but in the end what does it matter when you have no trade partners and you landed a good (and maybe better than good) player at a position of need?

I agree, I just think we can have our cake and eat it too in terms of getting a better prospect in the first and then still nabbing one of these run-stuffers at some point in the 2nd.

I just know damn good and well they won't prioritize it and/or be aggressive to move for one if they start coming off the board.

 

[NoDak]

one possible comforting thought: how much longer can Dak play? His window is closing, right next to Zeke's.

Hardly. Dak is getting older, sure. But there is no way his window is closing like Zeke’s.

 

[p1_]

Pining for a top notch DL1T is futile.

 

[Simpleton]

Yeah, Kancey just set the fastest 40 time by a DT since 2006.

No way he's there at 26

I think it's at least 50/50 that he'll be there, his sub-31 inch arms combined with the lack of height/weight will put people off a bit and there's too much other talent on the DL in the first round for me to say he's a lock to be gone.

When you start looking at the numbers it's easy to see him falling: 4 QB's, 1 RB, 1 TE, 2-3 WR's, 4-5 OL, 5 DL, 4 DB's is already about 21-22 who are pretty much locks to be gone before we pick, and if not then we're getting someone like Branch or Van Ness falling to us.

 

[p1_]

Hardly. Dak is getting older, sure. But there is no way his window is closing like Zeke’s.

He’s gonna be 30 soon, and been slowed by a serious injury. Misses time with new injuries….
I truly wonder what upside remains for Dak.

 

[boozeman]

 

[NoDak]

He’s gonna be 30 soon, and been slowed by a serious injury. Misses time with new injuries….
I truly wonder what upside remains for Dak.

There’s a big difference between upside and window closing. Two different things.