2022 Season | Divisional Round Gameday Chatter Thread | Cowboys @ 49ers | 1/22/23

[Rev]

I hate to be this guy but you have to look at what the Eagles have done. They drafted a QB in the second round when they still had their last franchise QB on the roster when they saw he was breaking down but before they cut bait. Then they traded him when the league still thought he had value, as the league probably thinks about Dak. The eagles are constantly swindling people out of extra high draft picks in other deals too, like they would absolutely capitalize on moving a player like Diggs before giving him a massive contract and as a result the Eagles are flush with extra draft capital despite being a 1 seed.

We need to take notes. Their way is smart and ours is dumb.

The problem is that Jerry will be involved. This is the same guy that told people that we want a 1st for Cooper but probably would take a 3rd.

Plus Jimmy actually ruined it for us. We won't ever be able to win trades anymore after Hershel.

 

[GShock]

I hate to be this guy but you have to look at what the Eagles have done. They drafted a QB in the second round when they still had their last franchise QB on the roster when they saw he was breaking down but before they cut bait. Then they traded him when the league still thought he had value, as the league probably thinks about Dak. The eagles are constantly swindling people out of extra high draft picks in other deals too, like they would absolutely capitalize on moving a player like Diggs before giving him a massive contract and as a result the Eagles are flush with extra draft capital despite being a 1 seed.

We need to take notes. Their way is smart and ours is dumb.

They have a full-time GM.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

This “Dak must be aggressive” bullshit has to go.

What bothers me are that the INTs aren't even aggressive. Daks 2 picks yesterday were a combined what, 10-15 yards in attempts? Throw a pick going for a big play, ok, I get it. But throwing a 4 yard pass to Lamb shouldn't lead to a pick. It wasn't Lambs fault either, Dak just didn't see the corner sitting there waiting.

But I agree, we need to turn ourselves into a run team that can push people around. Zeke needs to go, he is a liability as a ball carrier. We need to keep working on the Oline. We need to not put all the pressure on Dak to move the ball.

 

[GShock]

The problem is that Jerry will be involved. This is the same guy that told people that we want a 1st for Cooper but probably would take a 3rd.

Plus Jimmy actually ruined it for us. We won't ever be able to win trades anymore after Hershel.

That Cooper trade, man. The. Worst.

 

[Texas Ace]

What bothers me are that the INTs aren't even aggressive. Daks 2 picks yesterday were a combined what, 10-15 yards in attempts? Throw a pick going for a big play, ok, I get it. But throwing a 4 yard pass to Lamb shouldn't lead to a pick. It wasn't Lambs fault either, Dak just didn't see the corner sitting there waiting.

But I agree, we need to turn ourselves into a run team that can push people around. Zeke needs to go, he is a liability as a ball carrier. We need to keep working on the Oline. We need to not put all the pressure on Dak to move the ball.

Yeah but that's the problem.... We can't surround him with steaks on every plate.

And even if you did, at some point the QB still has to win the game himself and this guy just can't do it.

He folds under pressure and the way he performed from that 2nd interception onward was atrocious.

We just can't outright cut him, but we aren't winning shit of any real importance with him.

 

[Couchcoach]

I'm glad he said that.

Dak killed them repeatedly down the stretch and all thost "my bads" and "won't happen again" doesn't cut it.

He cost them their place in the NFCC and he needs to be held accountable.

The media and too many fans are looking the other way and giving Dak a pass on this loss. He's a massive contract choker. How many times does have to prove this? He threw two picks in a playoff game, and it should've been more. He had his chance with a little over two minutes left. I knew he wouldn't make it happen. He's your "franchise QB" . When will he be held accountable?

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Yeah but that's the problem.... We can't surround him with steaks on every plate.

And even if you did, at some point the QB still has to win the game himself and this guy just can't do it.

He folds under pressure and the way he performed from that 2nd interception onward was atrocious.

We just can't outright cut him, but we aren't winning shit of any real importance with him.

Steaks no, but let's be real. Without Pollard he probably had the worst supporting offensive cast left in the playoffs. Lamb is great but the rest is shit. Schultz is ok but I'm still not convinced he is anything more than that.

Dak needs to play better but he also needs guys open. Not sure what anyone else was doing out there besides Lamb. Of course if you have a running game it's also easier for guys to get open.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

The media and too many fans are looking the other way and giving Dak a pass on this loss.

I don't think anyone has given him a pass. Actually feels like most are just waiting for the guy to fail so they can say they were right about him.

 

[son of deadrise]

Just throwing this out there. I think that along with a QB's skill sets and instincts, and where he was drafted, success in the NFL depends as much on the system and the coaching. Is Mahomes' success due in part to Andy Reid's system? Mahomes got hurt, Henne takes them the length of the field for a score.

Stafford languishes in Detroit, goes to LA, wins a SB under McVay. Pedersen wins a SB in Philly with a backup QB. Lawrence was floundering in Jax. Now under Pedersen suddenly he's pretty damn good. Purdy's a case in point in SF. Brady, 6th round, a case in point in NE. Is Joe Burrow a product of Zac Taylor's system?

The other thing teams like SF, KC and LA have in common -- someone else mentioned this in a previous post -- is the intelligent use trades and free agency to pick up key players. Something the inbred rednecks never do.

Who knows if Dak would be better under in a proven, successful system? But one thing is for sure: under Jerry, Dallas is a QB graveyard, no matter where they were drafted.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Who knows if Dak would be better under in a proven, successful system? But one thing is for sure: under Jerry, Dallas is a QB graveyard, no matter where they were drafted.

Yeah and I'm not even opposed to drafting a QB. But I think the system needs to change so that we can realistically develop a guy. We just don't have a structured offensive system like the 49ers where you can plug and play mediocre talent and make it easy on them. Or even dare I say the Eagles who have built a system and a tremendous amount of offensive talent around a decent passer who can run well.

 

[mcnuttz]

At the very least, it's time to flush the OC.

 

[Couchcoach]

I don't think anyone has given him a pass. Actually feels like most are just waiting for the guy to fail so they can say they were right about him.

Knowledgeable fans and media are holding him to it. But the FOX crew post game didn't say a word about him. Didn't see any other media do it either.

 

[Texas Ace]

Steaks no, but let's be real. Without Pollard he probably had the worst supporting offensive cast left in the playoffs. Lamb is great but the rest is shit. Schultz is ok but I'm still not convinced he is anything more than that.

Dak needs to play better but he also needs guys open. Not sure what anyone else was doing out there besides Lamb. Of course if you have a running game it's also easier for guys to get open.

In the 2nd half, especially on our last scoring drive, he wasn't even allowing plays to develop because he was so damn scared.

And it's not like he was getting hit or constantly pressured either -- he was simply scared due to a lack of confidence.

You CANNOT have a guy like that playing QB for you in the playoffs.

On 2nd and 10, the 49ers sent 7 and we picked it up beautifully. I'm thinking there's going to be a shot down the field but Dak didn't even bother to look down the field and took the quick short route underneath.

Then on 3rd down did the exact same thing.

Same fucking thing on what should have been the pick 6 to Schultz. The guy had no confidence so he was making pre-determined reads to what he felt was the safest option each time.

It wouldn't have mattered if we had 1993 Emmitt Smith out there behind him and 3 Randy Moss' to throw to because he was making his mind up presnap on where he wanted to go because he was toast.

You cannot win with that guy, PERIOD.

 

[Prodigal_Son]

Trade Dak to GB for Rodgers and drop a draft pick on a QB this or next year. As old as Rodgers is and even though his skills have diminished, at least he's a gamer. Dak isn't,

 

[Bipo]

And only a truly fucktarded team in need of a HC would hand the keys to Quinn over Ryans.

 

[Texas Ace]

At the very least, it's time to flush the OC.

To be fair to him, I thought he was actually quite good the last 2 weeks.

My only gripe with him yesterday, and it's a big one, was going shotgun on 2nd and 2 where Dak threw the pick.

Not only did we need to score, but we also needed to manage the clock so that the 49ers wouldn't have time to do anything before the half. So the right call on 2nd and 2 in that situation was to run.

But of course, KM trusted Dak way too damn much in that situation and called a shotgun pass and that to me was the play that lost us the game.

We were in full control right there and had all the momentum on our side and the game never felt like that again.

Dak mentally checked out of the game after that pick too. After that, he was done and so were we.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Steaks no, but let's be real. Without Pollard he probably had the worst supporting offensive cast left in the playoffs. Lamb is great but the rest is shit. Schultz is ok but I'm still not convinced he is anything more than that.

Dak needs to play better but he also needs guys open. Not sure what anyone else was doing out there besides Lamb. Of course if you have a running game it's also easier for guys to get open.

Guys were open last night. For example the play where about five of us pointed out Hilton wide open possibly for a TD but Dak chose to throw into coverage on a low percentage pass instead.

Dak has to get better at finding open guys and he's rightfully criticized for it.

Not to mention the missed open throws like the one downfield to a wide open Gallup late. Or the dumb throw INTs.

A better QB performance wins a very winnable game last night. That's the fact.

 

[Bipo]

 

[mcnuttz]

To be fair to him, I thought he was actually quite good the last 2 weeks.

My only gripe with him yesterday, and it's a big one, was going shotgun on 2nd and 2 where Dak threw the pick.

Not only did we need to score, but we also needed to manage the clock so that the 49ers wouldn't have time to do anything before the half. So the right call on 2nd and 2 in that situation was to run.

But of course, KM trusted Dak way too damn much in that situation and called a shotgun pass and that to me was the play that lost us the game.

We were in full control right there and had all the momentum on our side and the game never felt like that again.

Dak mentally checked out of the game after that pick too. After that, he was done and so were we.

To be fair, I agree...he did seem to have a decent plan, especially last week.

Dak needs the rug swept out from underneath him, though, he is too lazy and comfortable in this system.

 

[Texas Ace]

Guys were open last night. For example the play where about five of us pointed out Hilton wide open possibly for a TD but Dak chose to throw into coverage on a low percentage pass instead.

Dak has to get better at finding open guys and he's rightfully criticized for it.

Not to mention the missed open throws like the one downfield to a wide open Gallup late. Or the dumb throw INTs.

A better QB performance wins a very winnable game last night. That's the fact.

If he just protects the ball last night we win that game by 10 points.

If he had played really well, we probably win by 17.

We were significantly better than the 49ers for 2.5 quarters but we never got up because of the QB.

He spotted them 3, then was responsible for a 10 point swing on his 2nd pick, then badly underthrows CD on what should have been a 90-something yard TD, then the miss to Gallup.

And that's not even counting all of the bad reads he made throughout the day.

Again, just getting competent QB play yesterday would have resulted in a win.