2021 Season | Divisional Weekend | Gameday Chatter Thread | 1/22/22-1/23/22

[Cotton]

Get rid of ties in the regular season, too.

I agree.

 

[UncleMilti]

I disagree. That's a very big advantage. Think about it... Even if the percentage was at 25%, that is still ending the game with your opponent never touching the ball. But it's actually at or above 50%-- with the opponent never touching the ball. That's huge.

It’s a decidedly huge advantage if it’s a one and done game.

 

[UncleMilti]

Under the current overtime rules the win-loss record for teams that win the coin toss is 86-67-10, per NFL Research. There is an advantage to winning the coin toss, but just at 52.8%. But, and this is an interesting but, if you just look at playoff games, the team that wins the coin flip has won 10 out of 11 games. Seven of those wins came on the first drive and didn’t give the other team a chance.

How much does the overtime coin flip impact outcome?

Are the NFL overtime rules fair? We take a look at how often teams win the game after winning coin toss

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Holy shit. That’s basically win the coin flip and you win the game.

 

[Simpleton]

Just make sure each team gets one possession then go to sudden death, no clue what's so difficult about this except for the NFL just being a troglodyte organization that refuses to change until the very last second.

 

[ravidubey]

I didn't say he did. But Prescott still had a career year.

Statistically only, not in terms of wins.

And I think if you ask him, he'd agree he fell well short of his goals.

Unfortunately, a lot is out of his control.

The whole PCL injury to Elliott, I mean, Fuck Jerry Jones. Zeke should not have been playing. Same f'ing thing happened with Emmitt for a long stretch of in 1996, playing injured.

Jerry forces his big contracts to play to the detriment of the team. We should have traded for a RB long before the trade deadline as Zeke was injured a full month beforehand.

Jones is a gigantic contagious ass clown turning everyone around him into ass clowns. Mike McCarthy reputation is eroding fast as he's forced to toe Jerry's fucked up line.

But Dak's calf injury-- it's a big stretch to say that affected his decision making. I call BS.

It is 99% the fact that teams started playing coverage and rushing with four. Blitzing gives Dak a convenient uncovered WR to throw to.

That went away with a straight up pass rush and full coverage. The pass rush could attack Williams and Biadasz, and they'd either get pressure or a penalty. Again, no adjustment against this.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Just make sure each team gets one possession then go to sudden death, no clue what's so difficult about this except for the NFL just being a troglodyte organization that refuses to change until the very last second.

I mean this makes the most sense. I'm not passionate about the issue because it hasn't cost us a playoff game but I can understand the frustration if it did. So I try to put myself in the hypothetical situation.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

But Dak's calf injury-- it's a big stretch to say that affected his decision making. I call BS.

Not saying it is the reason but things changed drastically after that. I don't believe that 6 years in to a guys career defenses suddenly figured him out.

 

[p1_]

It doesnt come down to a coin flip. They still had the opportunity to play defense and in the Bills case they had the #1 defense. I know its a tall task but its still a phase of the game. I just dont buy the argument that they didn't have a chance. KC didnt score on every possession of the game so it could have been done.

As far as the entertaining part most of us grew up in a time where the defense was just as entertaining as the flashy plays. We need to get back to that. Hell, I bet all of us looked forward to seeing Parsons play. I know its wishful thinking now but that's what I prefer

WTF happened to the Bills D ?

 

[Cowboysrock55]

WTF happened to the Bills D ?

Yeah I mean they were number one in points and yards allowed during the season. That's a defense that should be embarrassed giving up points in 13 seconds. Shit even a squib kick and burn 4 seconds off that clock to at least make things a little difficult.

With 3 timeouts there was no reason for the Bills to protect the sideline so they could have ran a pretty normal defense. And yet they still gave it up. That's really where Bills fans should be pissed. You couldn't eat up 13 seconds?

 

[ravidubey]

Just make sure each team gets one possession then go to sudden death, no clue what's so difficult about this except for the NFL just being a troglodyte organization that refuses to change until the very last second.

Yeah. Each team kicks off to the other, even if the first possession results in a TD (Safety would still end it though).

Then sudden death

 

[Cotton]

 

[Genghis Khan]

But Dak's calf injury-- it's a big stretch to say that affected his decision making. I call BS.

It is 99% the fact that teams started playing coverage and rushing with four.

Correct.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Correct.

Again, that's never been a problem for Dak in the past. Other than the argument could be made that teams were rushing 4 and getting great pressure only rushing 4. I doubt there is one single thing that sort of sunk our offense. It was a multitude of factors. The calf was probably one. Zeke's injury was another. The O-line falling to pieces was another.

So you fix what you can. Dak with better mobility because of no injury, better protection upfront and a running game equals a different offense.

 

[ravidubey]

Yeah I mean they were number one in points and yards allowed during the season. That's a defense that should be embarrassed giving up points in 13 seconds. Shit even a squib kick and burn 4 seconds off that clock to at least make things a little difficult.

With 3 timeouts there was no reason for the Bills to protect the sideline so they could have ran a pretty normal defense. And yet they still gave it up. That's really where Bills fans should be pissed. You couldn't eat up 13 seconds?

If we're asking why they played a prevent defense, isn't that obvious? To stop the deep pass.

I agree they needed to have squibbed the kickoff for sure. That was the biggest mistake.

As for regular season stats, averages racked up against the rest of the league don't mean a thing in this situation.

Mahomes just needs to complete two passes-- there's a really good chance that happens with multiple timeouts left as 13 seconds is plenty of time. You only need 40 yards from the 25 yard line.

The problem was that kickoff, pure and simple. Cut that time down to under 10 seconds, and three plays spanning 40 yards becomes almost impossible.

 

[UncleMilti]

If we're asking why they played a prevent defense, isn't that obvious? To stop the deep pass.

I agree they needed to have squibbed the kickoff for sure. That was the biggest mistake.

As for regular season stats, averages racked up against the rest of the league don't mean a thing in this situation.

Mahomes just needs to complete two passes-- there's a really good chance that happens with multiple timeouts left as 13 seconds is plenty of time. You only need 40 yards from the 25 yard line.

The problem was that kickoff, pure and simple. Cut that time down to under 10 seconds, and three plays spanning 40 yards becomes almost impossible.

Pretty much jr level football shit right there. Why kick into the end zone and let no time run off the clock?

But the Bills D and Frazier should be getting roasted too. They let guys run wide open down the field for easy catches. The catches weren’t even contested. Just a bad showing overall.

 

[GShock]

The problem was that kickoff, pure and simple. Cut that time down to under 10 seconds, and three plays spanning 40 yards becomes almost impossible.

Assuming the kickoff is not returned for a TD or into FG range.

 

[UncleMilti]

1 game out of 11.
Yeah, nothing to see here.

 

[ravidubey]

Not saying it is the reason but things changed drastically after that. I don't believe that 6 years in to a guys career defenses suddenly figured him out.

Not him specifically, but certainly this current offense. Especially with a limited run game.

You basically pass rush four and drop the rest into coverage.

Against this team that meant Dak had to thread a needle, and we know Dak's tendency is to find an open player first.

That combined with suspect LG led to many more drive-killing penalties, sacks, and incompletions. Dak was clearly pressured and it led to many bad plays like the stupid pick against Washington.

 

[shoop]

Statistically only, not in terms of wins.

And I think if you ask him, he'd agree he fell well short of his goals.

Unfortunately, a lot is out of his control.

The whole PCL injury to Elliott, I mean, Fuck Jerry Jones. Zeke should not have been playing. Same f'ing thing happened with Emmitt for a long stretch of in 1996, playing injured.

Jerry forces his big contracts to play to the detriment of the team. We should have traded for a RB long before the trade deadline as Zeke was injured a full month beforehand.

Jones is a gigantic contagious ass clown turning everyone around him into ass clowns. Mike McCarthy reputation is eroding fast as he's forced to toe Jerry's fucked up line.

But Dak's calf injury-- it's a big stretch to say that affected his decision making. I call BS.

It is 99% the fact that teams started playing coverage and rushing with four. Blitzing gives Dak a convenient uncovered WR to throw to.

That went away with a straight up pass rush and full coverage. The pass rush could attack Williams and Biadasz, and they'd either get pressure or a penalty. Again, no adjustment against this.

Do you think that maybe the eye coaches Dak to read the blitz and throw based off of the uncovered/under covered receiver? That would make a lot of sense if he is first looking for the blitz for a simplified read and when it isn’t there he is forced to basically start his reads over again with a different thought process or as bad/worse try to figure it out on the fly. . It would be insane to try to play like that.

 

[Simpleton]

Not him specifically, but certainly this current offense. Especially with a limited run game.

You basically pass rush four and drop the rest into coverage.

Against this team that meant Dak had to thread a needle, and we know Dak's tendency is to find an open player first.

That combined with suspect LG led to many more drive-killing penalties, sacks, and incompletions. Dak was clearly pressured and it led to many bad plays like the stupid pick against Washington.

To be fair, there are exactly zero QB's who could navigate 3-4 playoff games to win a Super Bowl if an OL is consistently giving up pressure to 4 man rushes while simultaneously not being able to run the ball against 7 dropping into shell type zone coverage unless they have a 1985 Bears/2000 Ravens/2013 Seahawks level defense.

Maybe one of these GOAT-level QB's could pull it off once but Prescott isn't that, and it isn't fair to expect him to be that.