College Basketball Chatter

[Tony D]

Wiggins will be fine and is still clear cut #1. Once Self put him on Parker he slowed him down, so the kid can play defense. I'd rather have a guy who can score and stop his opponent from scoring. There are far too many guys who score a ton of points, but can't stop anybody on the defensive end.

Plus, it looked like Parker dominated Duke's offense and Wiggins was eased in, let the game come to him. A lot of that is Kansas has some other really good players though that need the ball.

I have no idea if Wiggins will be LeBron. Long way to go. But if he's not that's no knock on him, just the experts who claim him to be.

 

[Simpleton]

I think once the draft rolls around it could very well be a toss-up between Wiggins and Parker, perhaps even Randle too depending on how tall he measures.

 

[Deuce]

Bilas sums it up well which is why Id be thrilled with any of them in Boston.

@JayBilas: Jabari Parker most complete, Julius Randle most physically dominant, and Andrew Wiggins most athletic and best in transition. All terrific.

 

[Tony D]

I think once the draft rolls around it could very well be a toss-up between Wiggins and Parker, perhaps even Randle too depending on how tall he measures.

No way. Come draft day if Wiggins falls into the Sixers laps at #2 or #3 I'd be shocked and thrilled. You have to look at how their game translates to the NBA. I don't care about their freshmen stats. I don't care if Wiggins averages 14 and 5 and the other two are 20 and 10 guys. I'm not taking anything away from the other guys and I'll be happy to get either one, but I think Wiggins is the guy. He has no questions on his size and where he will play in the NBA and who he will guard in the NBA.

Bilas sums it up well which is why Id be thrilled with any of them in Boston.

@JayBilas: Jabari Parker most complete, Julius Randle most physically dominant, and Andrew Wiggins most athletic and best in transition. All terrific.

Yes, Parker is the most complete COLLEGE player, Randle the most physically dominant COLLEGE player and Wiggins the most athletic and best in transition COLLEGE player. Being the most physically dominant college player always doesn't translate to the NBA. Being good at everything, but sometimes not great at a few things always doesn't translate to being an NBA Superstar. But when it comes to the NBA who will be the better player in 5 years I'll take Wiggins.

Listen all 3 could be NBA superstars in 5 years, but the chances are higher with Wiggins.

 

[Simpleton]

Obviously I have to see more but Randle and Parker both have very clearly defined positions, Wiggins is the best athlete of the bunch but he looks so raw in terms of basketball skill that it's hard for me to say he's the clear lock to go number 1. I was kind of having these thoughts about Wiggins being raw before the game last night, I just didn't think Randle and Parker would be good enough to potentially push him out of that 1 spot.

 

[Tony D]

Obviously I have to see more but Randle and Parker both have very clearly defined positions, Wiggins is the best athlete of the bunch but he looks so raw in terms of basketball skill that it's hard for me to say he's the clear lock to go number 1. I was kind of having these thoughts about Wiggins being raw before the game last night, I just didn't think Randle and Parker would be good enough to potentially push him out of that 1 spot.

Raw is fine when you're 18. Randle and Parker may be ahead right now in that area, but in 5 years? I guess we don't know. I'll take any of them obviously, but prefer Wiggins.

 

[Jiggyfly]

Obviously I have to see more but Randle and Parker both have very clearly defined positions, Wiggins is the best athlete of the bunch but he looks so raw in terms of basketball skill that it's hard for me to say he's the clear lock to go number 1. I was kind of having these thoughts about Wiggins being raw before the game last night, I just didn't think Randle and Parker would be good enough to potentially push him out of that 1 spot.

I think Paker ends up being the number 1 guy he has the skills and the determination to put a team on his back, Wiggins just does not seem that driven to be a true franchise type guy, I noticed this watching him in high school games as well as international play.

I don't have a real read yet on Randle and like you I think his size will dictate a lot, he looks about 6'7 to me but I did not realize he had that much range.

From the little I watched of the game Selven looked like the superior prospect.

 

[Jiggyfly]

Raw is fine when you're 18. Randle and Parker may be ahead right now in that area, but in 5 years? I guess we don't know. I'll take any of them obviously, but prefer Wiggins.

What have you seen of Wiggins to say this or are you just going of the hype?

 

[Tony D]

What have you seen of Wiggins to say this or are you just going of the hype?

I've only seen stuff on YouTube and the game the other night, but from what I've seen he's by far the best two way prospect in a long time. With his size, length, speed and athleticism he's going to be a force on both sides of the ball. He can actually shoot and get separation to get his shot off against anybody. I guess I'm buying into the hype.

 

[Tony D]

Obviously I have to see more but Randle and Parker both have very clearly defined positions, Wiggins is the best athlete of the bunch but he looks so raw in terms of basketball skill that it's hard for me to say he's the clear lock to go number 1. I was kind of having these thoughts about Wiggins being raw before the game last night, I just didn't think Randle and Parker would be good enough to potentially push him out of that 1 spot.

What are those clearly defined positions for Randle and Parker in the NBA? Is Parker a 3? He'll struggle guarding other 3's in the NBA. Is Randle a 4? Can he guard 4's in the NBA? I don't think they're clearly defined at all. Wiggins has none of those questions. He can be a 2 or a 3 and can check both. Wiggins is raw, but the physical tools are there and he can shoot.

 

[Simpleton]

What are those clearly defined positions for Randle and Parker in the NBA? Is Parker a 3? He'll struggle guarding other 3's in the NBA. Is Randle a 4? Can he guard 4's in the NBA? I don't think they're clearly defined at all. Wiggins has none of those questions. He can be a 2 or a 3 and can check both. Wiggins is raw, but the physical tools are there and he can shoot.

Yes, yes, yes and yes.

 

[Deuce]

I don't see how you can watch Randle play and not know that he is a pretty damn impressive 4.

 

[Tony D]

I don't see how you can watch Randle play and not know that he is a pretty damn impressive 4.

Ok, but he's not going to be bigger and more athletic than everybody in the NBA like he is in college. I've only seen very little of these guys though.

Of the big 3 the guy who will have the biggest impact on defense is Wiggins. And on offense the guy I think will be the most difficult to guard looks like Wiggins. I can't wait to watch these guys play more though.

 

[Deuce]

UNC goes down to Belmont.

BWAAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

 

[Smitty]

At least UNC gets their losses out of the way early instead of saving them for the Sweet 16 every year.

 

[Simpleton]

Anybody want to talk about Noah Vonleh, he's averaging 15/11 with a steal and block per game, or Rodney Hood averaging 22/5/2?

There is so much focus on the top 3-4 guys that guys like this are falling through the cracks and it's why I'd be fine if the Bulls got the Bobcats pick somewhere around 12 this year.

 

[Smitty]

Anybody want to talk about Noah Vonleh, he's averaging 15/11 with a steal and block per game, or Rodney Hood averaging 22/5/2?

There is so much focus on the top 3-4 guys that guys like this are falling through the cracks and it's why I'd be fine if the Bulls got the Bobcats pick somewhere around 12 this year.

I think I'd be interested in a scenario where maybe the Bulls could swing a trade to get up from, say, 11, to maybe like 6-8, by adding in their original pick, and see if anybody falls a la Dwyane Wade in 2003. You never know, maybe a Dante Exum or Marcus Smart. If not, you could sit at 11 and take the best option between like, Hood, Gary Harris, or Vonleh, and then maybe Mitch McGary with their own pick (NBAdraft.net has him at 30th right now).

Given that Mirotic is probably coming next season, you could be looking at a Bulls rookie haul next year of, say.... Dante Exum and Nikola Mirotic.... or conversely..... Gary Harris, Mitch McGary and Nikola Mirotic. Either scenario gives the team a huge shot in the arm. I could even see a scenario where you'd trade Deng or Noah, while moving on from Boozer as well.

 

[Tony D]

Anybody want to talk about Noah Vonleh, he's averaging 15/11 with a steal and block per game, or Rodney Hood averaging 22/5/2?

There is so much focus on the top 3-4 guys that guys like this are falling through the cracks and it's why I'd be fine if the Bulls got the Bobcats pick somewhere around 12 this year.

I think I'd be interested in a scenario where maybe the Bulls could swing a trade to get up from, say, 11, to maybe like 6-8, by adding in their original pick, and see if anybody falls a la Dwyane Wade in 2003. You never know, maybe a Dante Exum or Marcus Smart. If not, you could sit at 11 and take the best option between like, Hood, Gary Harris, or Vonleh, and then maybe Mitch McGary with their own pick (NBAdraft.net has him at 30th right now).

Given that Mirotic is probably coming next season, you could be looking at a Bulls rookie haul next year of, say.... Dante Exum and Nikola Mirotic.... or conversely..... Gary Harris, Mitch McGary and Nikola Mirotic. Either scenario gives the team a huge shot in the arm. I could even see a scenario where you'd trade Deng or Noah, while moving on from Boozer as well.

Am I the only guy that thinks Glenn Robinson III would be a good pick around there? Off to a bit of a slow start, but he's a good all around player. He's one of those guys who will be a better pro than college player.

 

[Simpleton]

Yea he's going to be a lottery pick for sure.

 

[Smitty]

UNC has now beaten #3 Louisville and #1 Michigan State on the road, but lost to unranked Belmont at home and unranked UAB on the road.

Okaaaay.