2021 Random Cowboys Stuff Thread

[Cowboysrock55]

Yeah, but you still have to get another first down, and 100 to 60 with the one with 100 having a > 10 YPC gives you better odds that the 100 catch receiver can get you that next first down.

I'm not sure if you're bad at math or what. One guy takes twice as many catches to get you the same thing the other guy gets. That's not a positive. That's a negative. So you want to go the length of the field. One guy does it in half the catches. Meaning you need to go 80 yards for a TD. One guy takes 4 plays. The other guy takes 8. Now you may be thinking who cares, they both end the same. But not necessarily since every passing play has an inherent risk of a sack, fumble or INT. So you've done the same thing as me with twice the risk.

Who is better off? This is simple math fellas.

 

[Cotton]

I'm not sure if you're bad at math or what. One guy takes twice as many catches to get you the same thing the other guy gets. That's not a positive. That's a negative. So you want to go the length of the field. One guy does it in half the catches. Meaning you need to go 80 yards for a TD. One guy takes 4 plays. The other guy takes 8. Now you may be thinking who cares, they both end the same. But not necessarily since every passing play has an inherent risk of a sack, fumble or INT. So you've done the same thing as me with twice the risk.

Who is better off? This is simple math fellas.

I think it might be you that is bad at math. Yes, the 60 catch receiver gets 20 yards per catch, but the 100 yard receiver gets 10 yards per catch. The odds of you getting a first down with the 60 catch receiver is quite a bit lower than the 100 catch receiver. Consistent first downs will get you way more TDs than the 20 yard receiver that only catches a little more than half the amount of times as the 10 yard receiver.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I think it might be you that is bad at math. Yes, the 60 catch receiver gets 20 yards per catch, but the 100 yard receiver gets 10 yards per catch. The odds of you getting a first down with the 60 catch receiver is quite a bit lower than the 100 catch receiver. Consistent first downs will get you way more TDs than the 20 yard receiver that only catches a little more than half the amount of times as the 10 yard receiver.

No not true at all. Unless you're assuming one guys is catching a higher percentage of balls thrown his way. But now you're making an assumption that's not there.

You get twice as many yards. You get more than half the catches. Meaning one guy is moving the ball more than the other but it's not the guy with more catches. Again, I think you suck at math.

 

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[Cotton]

No not true at all. Unless you're assuming one guys is catching a higher percentage of balls thrown his way. But now you're making an assumption that's not there.

You get twice as many yards. You get more than half the catches. Meaning one guy is moving the ball more than the other but it's not the guy with more catches. Again, I think you suck at math.

Moving the chains is one of the most important aspects of a successful offense. Consistency is key, and 100 catches for 10 yards per is more consistent than 60 catches at 20 per. Sure, one gets 1200 yards to 1000 by the other, but I'm taking the one I can count on to get open and catch the ball almost twice as many times as the less consistent receiver.

 

[Genghis Khan]

You don't need the second first down if you get 20 yards instead of 10...

You actually literally do still need the second first down.

You understand that a catch guarantees you zero. Yards are what move the ball right? Less catches aren't better than more but what I'm saying is that more catches aren't necessarily better than less either. The stats that actually matter are yards, converting first downs, scoring points. The catch by itself is a meaningless stat.

Yards are what move the ball, and you get yards through the air by...guess what?

Catches.

They aren't useless.

You get zero yards if you get zero catches.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Moving the chains is one of the most important aspects of a successful offense. Consistency is key, and 100 catches for 10 yards per is more consistent than 60 catches at 20 per. Sure, one gets 1200 yards to 1000 by the other, but I'm taking the one I can count on to get open and catch the ball almost twice as many times as the less consistent receiver.

So your basis is that you'd rather need 8 first downs for a TD as opposed to needing only 4? Just checking to make sure I understand your lunacy?

And one guy is giving you more yards to boot? Sorry I'll just have to disagree now before I rip my hair out. The only positive to your stance is that you can eat more clock.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Yards are what move the ball, and you get yards through the air by...guess what?

Catches.

I appreciate you guys but I'll just have to disagree. I feel like I'm explaining 6 x 20 > 10 x 10 and being told I'm wrong. We will just have to agree to disagree and I'll go to bed knowing I failed at teaching basic math and statistical concepts.

 

[Genghis Khan]

I'm not sure if you're bad at math or what. One guy takes twice as many catches to get you the same thing the other guy gets. That's not a positive. That's a negative. So you want to go the length of the field. One guy does it in half the catches. Meaning you need to go 80 yards for a TD. One guy takes 4 plays. The other guy takes 8. Now you may be thinking who cares, they both end the same. But not necessarily since every passing play has an inherent risk of a sack, fumble or INT. So you've done the same thing as me with twice the risk.

Who is better off? This is simple math fellas.

So why don't they throw it to the 20 YPC guy EVERY TIME?

Why would they actively choose to throw it to the guy with less YPC? They obviously are if he has more catches.

Maybe the coaches and the QB are bad at math too?

Or maybe, just maybe, the guy with more catches is open more and/or drops the ball less.

I guess you don't think catching a lot of balls is a big deal, but it really really is.

It's a strong indication that you are getting open a lot. That you get off the jam and run good routes.

It's a big effin deal.

 

[Genghis Khan]

So your basis is that you'd rather need 8 first downs for a TD as opposed to needing only 4? Just checking to make sure I understand your lunacy?

And one guy is giving you more yards to boot? Sorry I'll just have to disagree now before I rip my hair out. The only positive to your stance is that you can eat more clock.

The point you are missing is if the 20 YPC guy was open he would have more catches.

It's not a charity. They'd throw it if he's open. They aren't going to actively take less yards just because.

If a guy has more catches he's open and productive and catches the ball. Period. It's not rocket science.

 

[Cotton]

So your basis is that you'd rather need 8 first downs for a TD as opposed to needing only 4? Just checking to make sure I understand your lunacy?

And one guy is giving you more yards to boot? Sorry I'll just have to disagree now before I rip my hair out. The only positive to your stance is that you can eat more clock.

Dude, if the receiver with 60 catches with 20 yards per actually got 100 catches with 20 yards per you would easily be right, but that's not the scenario.

Alvin Harper - avg 30 catches per season with almost 19 yards per reception

Jerry Rice - avg 80 receptions per season with about 12 yards per reception

Which receiver do you choose?

 

[Cowboysrock55]

So why don't they throw it to the 20 YPC guy EVERY TIME?

Why would they actively choose to throw it to the guy with less YPC? They obviously are if he has more catches.

Maybe the coaches and the QB are bad at math too?

Because you don't have to throw it to him as much. That's what you all don't seem to be getting. Assume every pass goes to player A and player B. Player B will have more catches because it's taking more passes to move the ball. Player A scored 4 plays ago and didn't need 4 more catches to move the length of the field. It's because the catches are meaningless. It's the yards that move the ball.

 

[Cotton]

Because you don't have to throw it to him as much. That's what you all don't seem to be getting.

And what you're not getting is there are reasons why the 60 catch receiver got almost half the catches. He is either not getting open or drops the ball more. Which receiver is the QB going to have the most faith in?

 

[Genghis Khan]

I feel like I'm explaining 6 x 20 > 10 x 10 and being told I'm wrong.

This is why you're wrong. You think you're explaining this but you're actually not.

In this discussion you've literally said receptions are useless and you don't need another first down if you get 20 yards in one play.

You are arguing 2+2=5 and thinking you're explaining 6x20.

But I hear you. Sometimes at some point you are beating your head against the wall and if you don't see it, you don't see it.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Dude, if the receiver with 60 catches with 20 yards per actually got 100 catches with 20 yards per you would easily be right, but that's not the scenario.

Alvin Harper - avg 30 catches per season with almost 19 yards per reception

Jerry Rice - avg 80 receptions per season with about 12 yards per reception

Which receiver do you choose?

I choose the guy with more yards. 80 x 12 = 960. 30 x 19 = 570.

Do you see how the yards matter but the catches don't. Anyway, give me a team of guys who produce the yards at receiver and I'll give you the turds catching 80 balls for 500 yards.

 

[Cotton]

Because you don't have to throw it to him as much. That's what you all don't seem to be getting. Assume every pass goes to player A and player B. Player B will have more catches because it's taking more passes to move the ball. Player A scored 4 plays ago and didn't need 4 more catches to move the length of the field. It's because the catches are meaningless. It's the yards that move the ball.

And, every single drop or bad route could stall a drive. I prefer consistency.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

And what you're not getting is there are reasons why the 60 catch receiver got almost half the catches. He is either not getting open or drops the ball more. Which receiver is the QB going to have the most faith in?

Because you're not needing as many plays (captain obvious)? How is that hard to understand. Love you guys but shit it's not that complicated.

 

[Cotton]

This is why you're wrong. You think you're explaining this but you're actually not.

In this discussion you've literally said receptions are useless and you don't need another first down if you get 20 yards in one play.

You are arguing 2+2=5 and thinking you're explaining 6x20.

But I hear you. Sometimes at some point you are beating your head against the wall and if you don't see it, you don't see it.

Putting it plainly, the 100 catch receiver is your WR1 and the 60 catch receiver is WR2.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

And, every single drop or bad route could stall a drive. I prefer consistency.

They could. Which is why needing twice as many plays to drive the length of the field is foolish and dumb.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Putting it plainly, the 100 catch receiver is your WR1 and the 60 catch receiver is WR2.

Cool take 2 Jason Wittens and I'll take 2 Tyreke Hills and I'll beat the pants off your team.