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Only missing 15 games out of 256 is unreal for a RB.
 
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Gore is a guy that kind of bugs me. No way in hell he deserves to be the 3rd all time leading rusher.

He's played 16 seasons and he's failed to get even 1000 yards 7 times.

He's gotten over 1500 yards exactly once.

He's been even over 1200 yards only 3 times in 16 years.

By comparison, Zeke for example already has a 1500 yard season and has 3 1200 yard seasons in 5 years.

In other words, Zeke has as many 1500 and 1200 yard seasons in 5 years as Gore had in 16.

Yeah the durability is nice, but even with that he's been over 4 ypc only once in the past 6 seasons. So he's not been particularly effective in a long time, he's just hanging on to hang on. Yet in those 6 seasons by my quick math he's added like almost 5000 career yards to his total.

No way in hell he deserves to be the 3rd all time rusher, or anywhere close.

I don't think there's any season I'd have ever considered him among the top RBs, other than maybe his 1 career year.

And without those final nearly useless 6 seasons he'd be around 20th all time with guys like Cory Dillon and Steven Jackson, which is around where he should be.

He's extremely overrated and his nuthuggers in the media are annoying.
 
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Genghis Khan said:
Gore is a guy that kind of bugs me. No way in hell he deserves to be the 3rd all time leading rusher.

He's played 16 seasons and he's failed to get even 1000 yards 7 times.

He's gotten over 1500 yards exactly once.

He's been even over 1200 yards only 3 times in 16 years.

By comparison, Zeke for example already has a 1500 yard season and has 3 1200 yard seasons in 5 years.

In other words, Zeke has as many 1500 and 1200 yard seasons in 5 years as Gore had in 16.

Yeah the durability is nice, but even with that he's been over 4 ypc only once in the past 6 seasons. So he's not been particularly effective in a long time, he's just hanging on to hang on. Yet in those 6 seasons by my quick math he's added like almost 5000 career yards to his total.

No way in hell he deserves to be the 3rd all time rusher, or anywhere close.

I don't think there's any season I'd have ever considered him among the top RBs, other than maybe his 1 career year.

And without those final nearly useless 6 seasons he'd be around 20th all time with guys like Cory Dillon and Steven Jackson, which is around where he should be.

He's extremely overrated and his nuthuggers in the media are annoying.
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Cant argue with this and well I think a shame if he gets in the HoF.
 
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And without those final nearly useless 6 seasons he'd be around 20th all time with guys like Cory Dillon and Steven Jackson, which is around where he should be.
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Yeah it's sad because those are very good RBs and the guy deserves to be talked about as a really good RB when you consider where and how he came into the league. But it's ruined by the idiots that push him as a sure fire hall of famer and all time great type.
 
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Genghis Khan said:
Gore is a guy that kind of bugs me. No way in hell he deserves to be the 3rd all time leading rusher.
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Gore deserves to be #3 all time - he earned it. However, being #3 on this list doesn’t necessarily equate to being a HOFer.

Ask the pro-Gore-in-HOF people if they think Jason Witten should be in the HOF. When met with a ‘no’, tell them that Witten is #2 all-time TEs for receiving yards. Some of the backtracking is funny.

I don’t think Edgerrin James should’ve gotten in, but I’d choose Edge over Gore

The Gore-in-HOF argument bothers me most because there are higher ranked players at their respective position than Gore. Leroy Butler, Darren Woodson, Karl Mecklenburg. Zack Thomas, etc

Putting Gore in is like putting Keith Brooking or London Fletcher in. Solid solid players that didn’t drop off much into their 30s that I’d love to have on on my team, but not players that transcended/redefined the position.
 
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Gore deserves to be #3 all time - he earned it.
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Nah, you earn it by being good/great most of your career.

For almost half of his career Gore wasn't even good, let alone great.

That's not earning it.


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I don’t think Edgerrin James should’ve gotten in, but I’d choose Edge over Gore
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Absolutely Edge > Gore.

And no question Gore is getting in the Hall unfortunately. They won't ignore the third leading rusher all time. Even if it took 10,000 years to get there.
 
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Nah, you earn it by being good/great most of your career.

For almost half of his career Gore wasn't even good, let alone great.

That's not earning it.
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Does Emmitt deserve to be over Walter Payton then? If you stop counting Emmitts yards at his lackluster 2002 season...

Also since Walter Payton’s first couple seasons only had 14 games
 
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Does Emmitt deserve to be over Walter Payton then? If you stop counting Emmitts yards at his lackluster 2002 season...

Also since Walter Payton’s first couple seasons only had 14 games
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It's funny because if you look at stats Emmitt was better than Payton early in his career. But Payton had some killer years later in his career. You'll never see a RB do that 10 or 11 years into his career ever again. Just too physical of a game these days for RBs to do that. AP was the closest thing to a physical marvel who could still look dominant 8 years into a rushing career. But even he has clung on way too long.
 
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Does Emmitt deserve to be over Walter Payton then? If you stop counting Emmitts yards at his lackluster 2002 season...

Also since Walter Payton’s first couple seasons only had 14 games
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Nah, you're talking about debating whether Emmitt's the best ever vs top 2 or 3 or whatever. That's a big difference between that and whether Gore is top 3 vs top 20 or 25.

Emmitt was still with his original team and coming off a thousand yard season when he passed Payton. Also, without Emmitt's couple of hanging on years he's still top 2 or 3. He doesn't fall all the way down to around 20th. Most great players have a couple of hanging on years at the end. Gore's is extreme and as a result his counting stats look way way better than he actually was.

As for the 14 games, that's something everyone deals with. Payton I think only had 3 years of 14 game seasons? That would be a 6 game advantage for emmitt. Not a big deal overall.

I think the bottom line in this comparison is, you can bring all of those things into an emmitt/Payton debate and that's fine. You can do the same with Payton vs Jim Brown.

But none of that changes the fact that emmitt belongs in that conversation. He did more than enough in his prime years that legitimizes him.

Gore on the other hand doesn't belong anywhere near a top 3 or top 5 or top 10 conversation. It's laughable.

Emmitt's numbers are commensurate with his legacy, even if you dock him a point or two vs Payton (or Brown, or Sanders) for his hanger-on couple of years. Gore has the numbers but he simply doesn't belong anywhere near that conversation.
 
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Nah, you're talking about debating whether Emmitt's the best ever vs top 2 or 3 or whatever. That's a big difference between that and whether Gore is top 3 vs top 20 or 25.

Emmitt was still with his original team and coming off a thousand yard season when he passed Payton. Also, without Emmitt's couple of hanging on years he's still top 2 or 3. He doesn't fall all the way down to around 20th. Most great players have a couple of hanging on years at the end. Gore's is extreme and as a result his counting stats look way way better than he actually was.

As for the 14 games, that's something everyone deals with. Payton I think only had 3 years of 14 game seasons? That would be a 6 game advantage for emmitt. Not a big deal overall.

I think the bottom line in this comparison is, you can bring all of those things into an emmitt/Payton debate and that's fine. You can do the same with Payton vs Jim Brown.

But none of that changes the fact that emmitt belongs in that conversation. He did more than enough in his prime years that legitimizes him.

Gore on the other hand doesn't belong anywhere near a top 3 or top 5 or top 10 conversation. It's laughable.

Emmitt's numbers are commensurate with his legacy, even if you dock him a point or two vs Payton (or Brown, or Sanders) for his hanger-on couple of years. Gore has the numbers but he simply doesn't belong anywhere near that conversation.
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We’re discussing different points. You said Gore doesn’t deserve to be #3 on the all time rushing list, insinuating at some point his rushing stats should’ve stopped being counted. That’s why I said if you discount the subpar seasons, then Emmitt would finish #2 on the all time list.

Gore earned being #3, but that’s all the significance that ranking garners. It shouldn’t necessarily equate into GOAT or HOF discussions.
 
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