2021 Cowboys Draft Chatter Thread...

[Cowboysrock55]

Eh we won't take him. We aren't drafting a LBer in the first with Jaylon and LVE. We have all come to accept that.

 

[jsmith6919]

Eh we won't take him. We aren't drafting a LBer in the first with Jaylon and LVE. We have all come to accept that.

Yeah we can't be hurting a made mans feelings by taking someone better

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Yeah we can't be hurting a made mans feelings by taking someone better

Normally I'd be totally against another first round LBer but this draft lacks defensive talent at more important positions and our LBer play last year was that awful.

I'm still on board with Surtain in the first though. He is really good.

 

[Simpleton]

Let's just hope they love Collins enough to trade up to about 20-25 when he drops that far. Big fan of his though, if we get Slater or Surtain in the first and use one of our 3rds to move up for Collins that'd be very strong.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Let's just hope they love Collins enough to trade up to about 20-25 when he drops that far. Big fan of his though, if we get Slater or Surtain in the first and use one of our 3rds to move up for Collins that'd be very strong.

He does have a very Patriots feel to him. I could definitely see them targeting him even though it might not be a big need for them. They stocked the offense in free agency so this wouldn't surprise me at all for the Pats. Big, smooth, versatile guy who would be great in a Patriots style defense.

 

[boozeman]

Well lookie what position we have spent the most draft capital at.

 

[NoDak]

Well lookie what position we have spent the most draft capital at.

A lot of teams are high at that position. Not hard to understand when you have 4 on the field sometimes.

Pittsburg has a historically good defense, and they are right behind us.

 

[Plan9Misfit]

Well lookie what position we have spent the most draft capital at.

And the two worst (other than QB)? Safety and DT.

Shocking. Just, shocking, I tell you.

 

[Plan9Misfit]

A lot of teams are high at that position. Not hard to understand when you have 4 on the field sometimes.

Pittsburg has a historically good defense, and they are right behind us.

And there are only three teams which have invested less in DT (ATL, CIN, JAX) and one team (BUF) which invested less at Safety.

 

[boozeman]

And there are only three teams which have invested less in DT (ATL, CIN, JAX) and one team (BUF) which invested less at Safety.

And Buffalo at least spent free agent money at S (Poyer, Hyde) to offset.

 

[Genghis Khan]

And Buffalo at least spent free agent money at S (Poyer, Hyde) to offset.

THAT'S the thing right there.

You either have to nail your draft picks at a position or you have to make up for it in free agency.

We've done neither.

And here we are with a historically bad defense, stupidly doubling down on the strategy that got us here in the first place.

 

[Simpleton]

We signed Clinton-Dix and Kazee, show some god damn respect.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

We signed Clinton-Dix and Kazee, show some god damn respect.

Yeah it might help to sign a guy every once in awhile that other NFL teams actually want.

 

[p1_]

THAT'S the thing right there.

You either have to nail your draft picks at a position or you have to make up for it in free agency.

We've done neither.

And here we are with a historically bad defense, stupidly doubling down on the strategy that got us here in the first place.

Gotta love Stephen Jones, your GM in waiting

 

[data]

Say we swapped to end of first round (picks ~25-32), gained a 2022 first rounder and whatever other pick to make it fair. Then with our lower first rounder, we drafted......

......Creed Humphrey

 

[ravidubey]

A lot of teams are high at that position. Not hard to understand when you have 4 on the field sometimes.

Pittsburg has a historically good defense, and they are right behind us.

That would be corner-whoring Zimmer and Minnesota, but I see your point.

In all seriousness it’s an interesting but deceptive number because it only covers draft capital and misses FA.

In addition high numbers might mean you suck at drafting the position and so have to keep trying, but in Dallas’ case we usually do a semi-decent job of drafting them but wisely choose to not overpay the insane market cost of keeping them.

This strategy forces us to keep drafting them in the 1st and 2nd round because we also fail to develop 3rd-5th rounders at the position. We compound this issue by ignoring the effect the 1T and elite 3T players have on stopping the run and creating longer down and distance situations that make life easier for most CBs.

The Dallas defense of the past two decades is keyed by CBs taking the top off an offense and forcing a bend don’t break situation.

It’s fine when your own offense is playing well and you are facing average opponents, but it sucks vs. balanced offenses and playoff teams.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

That would be corner-whoring Zimmer and Minnesota, but I see your point.

In all seriousness it’s an interesting but deceptive number because it only covers draft capital and misses FA.

In addition high numbers might mean you suck at drafting the position and so have to keep trying, but in Dallas’ case we usually do a semi-decent job of drafting them but wisely choose to not overpay the insane market cost of keeping them.

This strategy forces us to keep drafting them in the 1st and 2nd round because we also fail to develop 3rd-5th rounders at the position. We compound this issue by ignoring the effect the 1T and elite 3T players have on stopping the run and creating longer down and distance situations that make life easier for most CBs.

The Dallas defense of the past two decades is keyed by CBs taking the top off an offense and forcing a bend don’t break situation.

It’s fine when your own offense is playing well and you are facing average opponents, but it sucks vs. balanced offenses and playoff teams.

Yeah I mean we haven't been great at drafting them but haven't been terrible either. Our problem is that none of the corner get a second contract in Dallas. Also the Claiborne miss cost is big. If that was a hit and had earned a second contract we wouldn't have had to keep drafting corners.

You draft Surtain and he pans out suddenly we aren't drafting a corner in the first two rounds for the next 3-4 years or more. If Diggs goes the way I think he is a corner I actually spend the money on keeping around. A true play maker at corner.

You could argue that we have struggled drafting corners because our front 7 sucks and is basically putting too much pressure on them. But if that was the case we would see our corners leave and be studs on other teams which clearly isn't the case.

 

[Simpleton]

The fact of the matter is most Cowboys fans, and the organization seemingly, unnecessarily fixate on CB for whatever reason.

Like, Anthony Brown has played a lot of meaningful snaps as a borderline starter for us on some decent defenses. Trevon Diggs looks like a potential low end CB1, Jourdan Lewis is a credible nickel CB. Could we use an upgrade if it falls in our laps?

Sure, but this isn't a five alarm fire that has to be addressed in the top 50 picks of the draft come hell or high water.

Yes, Surtain is arguably the best defensive player in the draft and fits Quinn's scheme really well, so I'm fine taking him at 10, but if you listen to some fans CB is a position that must be addressed or else we're more or less doomed.

And I'm sure somehow or another some fans and maybe even the organization will find a way to suggest we need to go CB in the first 2-3 rounds next year even after we take Surtain, meanwhile we'll likely be trotting out Hill/Gallimore/Woods at DT again going into 2022.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

The fact of the matter is most Cowboys fans, and the organization seemingly, unnecessarily fixate on CB for whatever reason.

Like, Anthony Brown has played a lot of meaningful snaps as a borderline starter for us on some decent defenses. Trevon Diggs looks like a potential low end CB1, Jourdan Lewis is a credible nickel CB. Could we use an upgrade if it falls in our laps?

Sure, but this isn't a five alarm fire that has to be addressed in the top 50 picks of the draft come hell or high water.

Yes, Surtain is arguably the best defensive player in the draft and fits Quinn's scheme really well, so I'm fine taking him at 10, but if you listen to some fans CB is a position that must be addressed or else we're more or less doomed.

And I'm sure somehow or another some fans and maybe even the organization will find a way to suggest we need to go CB in the first 2-3 rounds next year even after we take Surtain, meanwhile we'll likely be trotting out Hill/Gallimore/Woods at DT again going into 2022.

I would take Surtain at 10 but if someone else drafts him first I'm not just going down the list and taking the next best corner. That would be silly but yet many experts seem to think that is what we would do.

 

[Simpleton]

I would take Surtain at 10 but if someone else drafts him first I'm not just going down the list and taking the next best corner. That would be silly but yet many experts seem to think that is what we would do.

Indeed and it's that type of thinking that I find idiotic.

If you think Horn is the 12th best prospect or whatever, fine, but I think most just want that 10 pick to be a CB one way or the other.