2021 Cowboys Draft Chatter Thread...

[bbgun]

You weren't comparing Horn to Surtain. You said you would rather have a shorter less muscular CB versus the opposite. I absolutely disagree with that as long as the rest of the measurables (40 time, 3 cone drill, etc) compare.

Of course I was. Who do you think I was referencing when I said "tall and muscular?"

 

[Cotton]

Of course I was. Who do you think I was referencing when I said "tall and muscular?"

Okay, I'll give you that. But, with their athletic measurable being very close, I'm still taking the taller CB. Oh, and Horn's arms are a full 1/2" longer than Surtain's. So, let's call the measurables a wash. I take the stronger CB coming into a cover 3.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Okay, I'll give you that. But, with their athletic measurable being very close, I'm still taking the taller CB. Oh, and Horn's arms are a full 1/2" longer than Surtain's. So, let's call the measurables a wash. I take the stronger CB coming into a cover 3.

I like both corners but Surtain was just better in college.

 

[boozeman]

Sure but my point is that forcing the pick when we could get a comparable prospect at a position of need after trading back, not to mention still landing a CB in the 2nd/3rd in a deep class, is a sign of forcing a pick for need (and not even an overly glaring need).

Surtain, fine, he's been starting at Alabama since he basically walked on campus, SEC DPoY, as refined as you'll get out of a CB coming out, tested through the roof, rare size in a scheme that loves jumbo CB's.

I can live with that.

But Horn?

Meh, that's just being locked on a CB and talking yourself into it because you're sad you missed out on Surtain.

Horne is in my top 15. He would be a mild reach but that is it.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Horne is in my top 15. He would be a mild reach but that is it.

That's about where I'm at. I like Horn. Do I think Slater is slightly better as a prospect? Sure. But Slater is a guard more or less and Horn is a starting outside corner.

 

[boozeman]

That's about where I'm at. I like Horn. Do I think Slater is slightly better as a prospect? Sure. But Slater is a guard more or less and Horn is a starting outside corner.

I think Slater can play tackle just like I am sure Zack Martin could have and did this past year.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I think Slater can play tackle just like I am sure Zack Martin could have and did this past year.

Yeah I think he will be a solid OT if that's where you want him.

 

[Simpleton]

Why the fuck did we resign Lewis if we were so hot for Horn?

There's a 0.0% chance that both him and Surtain are gone and Diggs/10th pick/Brown is an extremely strong trio. You could've used the money they gave Lewis to sign DJ Jones or some such.

Fucking morons.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Why the fuck did we resign Lewis if we were so hot for Horn?

There's a 0.0% chance that both him and Surtain are gone and Diggs/10th pick/Brown is an extremely strong trio. You could've used the money they gave Lewis to sign DJ Jones or some such.

Fucking morons.

Probably because Brown is your fourth corner...

 

[Simpleton]

Probably because Brown is your fourth corner...

And what's the point of that?

His cap hit is nearly 5 million, that could be invested elsewhere more efficiently.

 

[p1_]

And what's the point of that?

His cap hit is nearly 5 million, that could be invested elsewhere more efficiently.

Damn your sensible logic

 

[Cowboysrock55]

And what's the point of that?

His cap hit is nearly 5 million, that could be invested elsewhere more efficiently.

Well in all fairness you need four good corners in the NFL. You lose a third receiver and you just use the other 2 guys. You don't have that option at corner. It's not unusual for a team to want 4 corners.

Frankly our spending at corner would still be stupid cheap.

 

[Simpleton]

Well in all fairness you need four good corners in the NFL. You lose a third receiver and you just use the other 2 guys. You don't have that option at corner. It's not unusual for a team to want 4 corners.

Frankly our spending at corner would still be stupid cheap.

A top 10 pick, a 2nd round pick and two guys making 3-5/year is very unbalanced compared to what we have invested at DT.

 

[p1_]

A top 10 pick, a 2nd round pick and two guys making 3-5/year is very unbalanced compared to what we have invested at DT.

And par for the course with us

 

[Cowboysrock55]

A top 10 pick, a 2nd round pick and two guys making 3-5/year is very unbalanced compared to what we have invested at DT.

I agree. I wish like hell we would have signed someone to pair with Hill and Gallimore. I also wish like hell we had a DT in this draft worth pick 10.

But we have more invested at LBer and DE than that. Just not DT and safety.

 

[ravidubey]

Get your CB in the second. Take Parsons or Rousseau in the first.

You won’t find front seven difference makers in the 2nd. That’s not true at CB.

I know some think Trevon Moehrig, bad back and all, will still be there in the 2nd, but don’t bet on it. Ditto Nixon— he’ll be gone too.

But you will find a CB who can play.

 

[NoDak]

Moehrig has a bad back?

 

[Rev]

Moehrig has a bad back?

He had a sore back at this pro day. Not an issue unless your a couch gm and dont want to draft him at 10.

 

[Cotton]

Moehrig has a bad back?

The hyperbole is thick.

 

[boozeman]

7-Round Mock: Predictions For All 10 Dallas Picks
Mar 22, 2021 at 04:30 PM

DallasCowboys.com
Dallas Cowboys Staff Writers


Still more than a month before the NFL Draft, the mock drafts are heating up. The so-called experts have weighed in on all of their projections, including who the Cowboys might grab at No. 10 overall.

Well, our staff writers went a few steps further. We did our first installment of a seven-round mock draft, taking a stab at all 10 Cowboys picks this year.

Here's what our guys picked:

Kyle Youmans

• 1st round (10th): Rashawn Slater, OT, Northwestern
• 2nd round (44th): Elijah Molden, DB, Washington
• 3rd round (75th): Tommy Togiai, DT, Ohio State
• 3rd round (99th): Rodarius Williams, CB, Oklahoma State
• 4th round (115th): Baron Browning, LB, Ohio State
• 4th round (138th): Patrick Jones II, DE, Pittsburgh
• 5th round (179th): Marquez Stevenson, WR, Houston
• 6th round (192nd): Larry Borom, OT, Missouri
• 6th round (227th): Tre Norwood, S, Oklahoma
• 7th round (238th): Jonathan Marshall, DT, Arkansas

Analysis: While the majority of the 2021 offseason wish list lies on the defensive side of the ball, Dallas can't afford to put their investment on offense at risk with a suspect offensive line. Northwestern's Rashawn Slater is the perfect piece to invest in long-term for the front five. He has the ability to play guard and could really shore up the left side of the line of scrimmage until Tyron Smith's time is done and Slater can move to tackle. Additionally, this draft class has a wealth of defensive talent stashed in the middle rounds, and with 10 total selections, makes for an easy option should the Cowboys not address the defense in the first round. Selections like Molden, Togiai, Williams and Browning not only gives flexibility to defensive coordinator Dan Quinn, but they are soon-to-be starters who could be supplemented by free agent signings and veterans. The large number of draft capitol Dallas holds also allows the freedom to add extra faces to the offensive side later on, like Stevenson and Borom, since it's unlikely to see an entirely defensive draft.

Rob Phillips

• 1st round (10th): Patrick Surtain II, CB, Alabama
• 2nd round (44th): Liam Echenberg, OT, Notre Dame
• 3rd round (75th): Dayo Odeyingbo, DE, Vanderbilt
• 3rd round (99th): Alim McNeill, DT, North Carolina State
• 4th round (115th): Talanoa Hufanga, S, USC
• 4th round (138th): Justin Hilliard, LB, Ohio State
• 5th round (179th): Kenny Yeboah, TE, Ole Miss
• 6th round (192nd): Camryn Bynum, CB, California
• 6th round (227th): Josh Palmer, WR, Tennessee
• 7th round (238th): Buddy Johnson, LB, Texas A&M

Analysis: If you're seeing a trend with my mock draft, yeah, it's defense. Seven of the 10 picks, to be exact. The Cowboys feel the offense will be just fine if they can stay healthy. The defense has the most question marks, and Surtain – one of a few cornerbacks who could go in the top half of the first round – is as pro-ready as any corner in this year's class. Trevon Diggs showed a lot of promise in his rookie year out of Alabama, and Surtain would help Dallas further fortify the position. The Cowboys are confident Tyron Smith and La'el Collins will be ready to play in 2021, but this is a strong class at offensive tackle, and Echenberg is one of several tackle prospects who could go somewhere in the first two rounds. McNeill is a run-stuffing, space-eating tackle who could thrive in new defensive coordinator Dan Quinn's scheme. Hufanga and Hilliard were productive at major college programs and would help address depth issues at safety and linebacker.

Nick Eatman

• 1st Round (10th): Patrick Surtain II, CB, Alabama
• 2nd Round (44th): Nick Bolton, LB, Missouri
• 3rd Round (75th): Andre Cisco, S, Syracuse
• 3rd Round (99th): Jerome Johnson, DT, Indiana
• 4th Round (115th): Alaric Jackson, OT, Iowa
• 4th Round (138th): Jacoby Stephens, S/LB, LSU
• 5th Round (179th): Daelin Hayes, DE, Notre Dame
• 6th Round (192nd): Rakeem Boyd, RB, Arkansas
• 6th Round (227th): DJ Daniel, CB, Georgia
• 7th Round (238th): Josh Pederson, TE, Louisiana-Monroe

Analysis: The Cowboys don't want to say they have a strong need at any spot, but it has to be cornerback, regardless of what happened in free agency. The need to get younger and talented at the position is vital, so after the success Trevon Diggs had a year ago, drafting Surtain just makes sense. If they go with Caleb Farley or Jaycee Horn are possibilities, but I think the safe and smart pick is Surtain. After that, I tried to go as much on defense as possible. Bolton is just a playmaker and they need that at linebacker. I also took some hybrid players like Stephens and Hayes who can play multiple positions. If you're thinking I took Boyd because he's from Arkansas, well, it's true. But I like his game because he's a bigger back with breakaway speed. There is no quarterback on this list, and I wonder if the Cowboys will take one, but I decided against it.

David Helman

• 1st round (10th): Patrick Surtain II, CB, Alabama
• 2nd round (44th): Richie Grant, S, UCF
• 3rd round (75th): Baron Browning, LB, Ohio State
• 3rd round (99th): Walker Little, OT, Stanford
• 4th round (115th): Kenneth Gainwell, RB, Memphis
  4th round (138th): Cameron Sample, DE, Tulane
  5th round (179th): Keith Taylor, CB, Washington
  6th round (192nd): Divine Deablo, S, Virginia Tech
  6th round (227th): Paddy Fisher, LB, Northwestern
  7th round (238th): Racey McMath, WR, LSU

Analysis: I can tell this mock might be too good to be true because I've done my best to address every single need. Revamping the secondary with the best young corner in this class makes entirely too much sense, and pairing him with a ball hawking free safety like Grant would just be too much fun. The Cowboys need insurance behind Jaylon Smith and Leighton Vander Esch, and Browning has the athleticism and the big-time résumé to do so. Little and Sample would provide depth on both lines, and I picked Kenneth Gainwell simply because he's too versatile to ignore. After that, I'm just looking for guys with traits I love, and it's hard not to like the size and length of Taylor and Deablo in the secondary. I took a flier on my LSU guy, Racey McMath, because I think he's going to be a special teams demon at the next level.

Jonny Auping

• 1st round (10th): Rashawn Slater, OT, Northwestern
• 2nd round (44th): Richie Grant, S, UCF
• 3rd round (75th): Jevon Holland, S/CB, Oregon
• 3rd round (99th): Aaron Banks, G, Notre Dame
• 4th round (115th): Tommy Togiai, DT, Ohio State
• 4th round (138th): Jimmy Morrissey, C, Pittsburgh
• 5th round (179th): Javian Hawkins, RB, Louisville
• 6th round (192nd): Brady Davis, QB, Illinois State
• 6th round (227th): Josh Palmer, WR, Tennessee
• 7th round (238th): Racey McMath, WR, LSU

Analysis: I stand by my belief that the Cowboys should invest their No. 10 overall pick in an offensive tackle to protect Dak Prescott for the entirety of his contract, just like they invested a No. 9 overall pick in 2011 to protect Tony Romo by drafting Tyron Smith, who is coming off of neck surgery. Slater has All-Pro potential and that's good enough for me. After using a second-round pick on safety Richie Grant out of UCF, I have them selecting Jevon Holland out of Oregon in the third round with the intention of converting him to cornerback. Holland is a ball hawk who could bring interceptions to the Cowboys defense. Finally, I would consider packaging picks in a trade just to move up in the fourth round to ensure they get Tommy Togiai out of Ohio State.
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I would take Helman's draft out of all of them.