2021 Cowboys Draft Chatter Thread...

[Simpleton]

We're definitely taking Horn at 10 if Surtain goes earlier, enjoy it boys.

 

[bbgun]

Gimme Horn. I don't want my corners to be as tall or muscular as Surtain.

 

[boozeman]

 

[Cotton]

Gimme Horn. I don't want my corners to be as tall or muscular as Surtain.

wut

 

[Rev]

wut

You will be ok if you just take the opposite of whatever bbgun says. Dak over Darnold, Cooper is good, muscular corners over shrimps, women over girls.etc..

 

[Simpleton]

I get Surtain at 10, fine, but Horn would be a bit ridiculous.

Like yea, I get that he's a nice CB prospect but he's not cemented as head and shoulders above guys like Rousseau, Parsons, Phillips, Moehrig, Ojulari, etc. He has ideal height/weight/speed and is extremely physical but almost to a detriment given that he gets very grabby, which could be a big problem.

Trade down to 17 and if he's there, fine, but taking him at 10 smacks of being locked in on a CB come hell or high water.

 

[boozeman]

I get Surtain at 10, fine, but Horn would be a bit ridiculous.

Like yea, I get that he's a nice CB prospect but he's not cemented as head and shoulders above guys like Rousseau, Parsons, Phillips, Moehrig, Ojulari, etc. He has ideal height/weight/speed and is extremely physical but almost to a detriment given that he gets very grabby, which could be a big problem.

Trade down to 17 and if he's there, fine, but taking him at 10 smacks of being locked in on a CB come hell or high water.

I get it but there are a couple of guys you listed that I wouldn't take before Horn.

 

[bbgun]

wut

give me a shorter (not "short") db with better change of direction skills

 

[boozeman]

give me a shorter (not "short") db with better change of direction skills

Asante Samuel fits the bill and wouldn't command a first.

 

[bbgun]

Asante Samuel fits the bill and wouldn't command a first.

so instead of a corner at #10 you'd take ...

 

[boozeman]

so instead of a corner at #10 you'd take ...

I would take a high impact player. Pitts if he lasts, even one of the top 3 receivers.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Asante Samuel fits the bill and wouldn't command a first.

Emphasis on short...

 

[bbgun]

I would take a high impact player. Pitts if he lasts, even one of the top 3 receivers.

we won't do that after our "historially bad" defensive season. there's only so many years you can kick the can down the road. teams who have to win shootouts week after week almost never win the championship.

 

[boozeman]

we won't do that after our "historially bad" defensive season. there's only so many years you can kick the can down the road. teams who have to win shootouts week after week almost never win the championship.

I also don't force a Top 10 pick on a defender just because you had a historically bad defense and also chose to be chickenshit in free agency thereafter. There are only a handful of defenders I would be comfortable with at 10. Some of the guys like Rousseau and Parsons, I have doubts about their ability to meet the value of the pick. A trade down is always an option, but it can't be too far.

There really is a cliff starting at 10 for me.

 

[Cotton]

give me a shorter (not "short") db with better change of direction skills

No, thanks. I would greatly prefer a 6'2" guy with longer arms than a 5'10" guy with shorter arms. Muscle and length makes potentially a better corner being able to press at the line and deflect passes or even INT more.

 

[boozeman]

 

[bbgun]

I also don't force a Top 10 pick on a defender just because you had a historically bad defense and also chose to be chickenshit in free agency thereafter.

force? you'd be picking a corner exactly where he was projected to go. no "reaches" here.

 

[Simpleton]

I get it but there are a couple of guys you listed that I wouldn't take before Horn.

Sure but my point is that forcing the pick when we could get a comparable prospect at a position of need after trading back, not to mention still landing a CB in the 2nd/3rd in a deep class, is a sign of forcing a pick for need (and not even an overly glaring need).

Surtain, fine, he's been starting at Alabama since he basically walked on campus, SEC DPoY, as refined as you'll get out of a CB coming out, tested through the roof, rare size in a scheme that loves jumbo CB's.

I can live with that.

But Horn?

Meh, that's just being locked on a CB and talking yourself into it because you're sad you missed out on Surtain.

 

[bbgun]

No, thanks. I would greatly prefer a 6'2" guy with longer arms than a 5'10" guy with shorter arms.

Horn is a little over six feet tall with longer arms than Surtain.

 

[Cotton]

Horn is a little over six feet tall with longer arms than Surtain.

You weren't comparing Horn to Surtain. You said you would rather have a shorter less muscular CB versus the opposite. I absolutely disagree with that as long as the rest of the measurables (40 time, 3 cone drill, etc) compare.