The Outrage Thread

[Sheik]

It's an ugly truth but to answer your question, as far as the rate of black people getting killed by police, it is a crime thing, more than anything.
Black people commit violent crime at a much higher rate than any other group; white, hispanic, asian, middle eastern, ect.
There is the belief that severe poverty has lead to much of that crime which is certainly valid.
A good conversation could be had about the root cause of that said poverty, however.
But as far as whether police shootings have an overwhelming racial bias element, it certainly isn't backed by the numbers, IMO.

I’ve heard of literally ONE white person being shot and killed by a police officer in the last 2-3 years.

Is that more evidence of the media creating a narrative they can cash in on?

 

[jsmith6919]

 

[Sheik]

@boozeman

Is this shit crazy? Can you remember something this crazy coming from the right?

Who are they siding with? Not the majority.

This should be scarier to the masses than anything a prominent conservative has said in the recent past. A major news publication is saying sorry for being truthful.

 

[armadillooutlaw]

I’ve heard of literally ONE white person being shot and killed by a police officer in the last 2-3 years.

Is that more evidence of the media creating a narrative they can cash in on?

Of course.
The very fact that more white people - unarmed even - are killed by cops you would think you would hear about more of them, but it doesn't feed the mainstream media agenda.

 

[Cotton]

It's an ugly truth but to answer your question, as far as the rate of black people getting killed by police, it is a crime thing, more than anything.
Black people commit violent crime at a much higher rate than any other group; white, hispanic, asian, middle eastern, ect.
There is the belief that severe poverty has lead to much of that crime which is certainly valid.
A good conversation could be had about the root cause of that said poverty, however.
But as far as whether police shootings have an overwhelming racial bias element, it certainly isn't backed by the numbers, IMO.

This post is spot on. Please post more, seriously. People hate to hear the terrible truth. Black people do commit crime at a higher rate than other race. BUT, they are in terrible neighborhoods/places in their lives/etc. That doesn't help and need to factor into the equation on how we fix this.

At the same time, there is some accountability that has to happen. We can't excuse the crimes that are being committed under the guise of "justice". The people that are rioting, looting, and killing people are fucking thugs, and deserve to be jailed as such.

 

[boozeman]

I’ve heard of literally ONE white person being shot and killed by a police officer in the last 2-3 years.

Is that more evidence of the media creating a narrative they can cash in on?

But funny how Tucker Carlson goes on the air and says au contraire mon frere., more whites are killed by cops.

So yeah, I do think the media is cashing in on whatever narrative they think fits. On both sides.

Honestly, let's be real here. Some cops do target black people.

Can we agree on that? I think admitting that would be a step.

Denying it is just hilarious to me.

 

[Sheik]

But funny how Tucker Carlson goes on the air and says au contraire mon frere., more whites are killed by cops.

So yeah, I do think the media is cashing in on whatever narrative they think fits.

What should the narrative be if more whites are killed by cops than blacks?

As Carlson said, Joy Reid says black people are being hunted by police.

If that’s the case, police suck at hunting. They’re literally doing it wrong if Joy Reid is to be believed.

Edit: I think I misread your post first time around. I don’t think you’re disagreeing with the premise.

 

[Cotton]

Honestly, let's be real here. Some cops do target black people.

Can we agree on that? I think admitting that would be a step.

I would actually agree with that. But, that % of cops infinitesimally small compared to their overall interactions. Also, there are more criminal interactions with blacks versus other "colors". I hate that this is a fact, but it is. I wish I could help my brothers to get out of that cycle, but for now, it is a fact.

 

[boozeman]

What should the narrative be if more whites are killed by cops than blacks?

As Carlson said, Joy Reid says black people are being hunted by police.

If that’s the case, police suck at hunting. They’re literally doing it wrong if Joy Reid is to be believed.

Edit: I think I misread your post first time around. I don’t think you’re disagreeing with the premise.

Fact of the matter is, a lot of people don't get the perspective.

I can tell you damn good and well that a large part of cops' jobs is patrolling black neighborhoods.

Why? Because that is where a large part of what they expect criminal activity is going to be.

And yes, it is probably true. Why? Because they are disadvantaged.

But on the flipside, white communities can engage in the same behavior and things are different.

This is a lot about class. Nobody wants to admit it, but it is just as much about that as it is about skin color.

 

[Sheik]

Honestly, let's be real here. Some cops do target black people.

Can we agree on that? I think admitting that would be a step.

Denying it is just hilarious to me.

I don’t think you could waste your time on anyone that would disagree or try and refute that point.

 

[Cotton]

I can tell you damn good and well that a large part of cops' jobs is patrolling black neighborhoods.

Why? Because that is where a large part of what they expect criminal activity is going to be.

And yes, it is probably true. Why? Because they are disadvantaged.

Dude, you answered your own damn question. What are cops supposed to do? Patrol areas that aren't high in crime? That seems like a ridiculous use of resources.

And, they don't patrol certain areas, FYI. They have assigned areas to patrol.

 

[Sheik]

Fact of the matter is, a lot of people don't get the perspective.


This is a lot about class. Nobody wants to admit it, but it is just as much about that as it is about skin color.

I agree with your entire post, but wanted to respond to this particular point.

This is precisely what I was getting at last night. While blacks are more of a focus with law enforcement, and I wholeheartedly believe it’s warranted, the entire problem is a class problem. It’s not fair, but it’s a reality. Blacks commit crimes, or I should say get CAUGHT committing crimes at a higher rate. Stats determine focus in law enforcement. It sucks, but it’s the way it is.

How many blacks living in the suburbs pulling down $100k a year with a wife, 2.5 kids and dog, are being gunned down? Same question for whites.

This is happening in low income areas and what exactly goes on in those places? How safe do you feel when you enter those neighborhoods? Those neighborhoods are prominently black and brown. Go figure.

We have a poverty problem, we don’t have a black people being hunted problem.

 

[armadillooutlaw]

This post is spot on. Please post more, seriously. People hate to hear the terrible truth. Black people do commit crime at a higher rate than other race. BUT, they are in terrible neighborhoods/places in their lives/etc. That doesn't help and need to factor into the equation on how we fix this.

At the same time, there is some accountability that has to happen. We can't excuse the crimes that are being committed under the guise of "justice". The people that are rioting, looting, and killing people are fucking thugs, and deserve to be jailed as such.

I think there has to be a combo of accountability from within the black community and also as a country we need to be looking for solutions for the external causes of poverty in the black community like underfunded schools or need for better job opportunities.
I wonder how much of a positive impact it would have to put more affordable trade/vocational schools in these communities? More black plumbers, welders, electricians, ect.
Better opportunity = better advantage.
The flip side of that however is that businesses don't typically stick around in higher crime areas, so it may seem like a catch-22.
Also to be honest the influence of Marxism and (not to sound like a cliche) rap culture are big negatives on the black community.
There is a sect of "leaders" in the black community (primarily from the Nation of Islam) that literally teach that white people are inherently evil against black people and were created by an evil black scientist named "Yakub" lol... and SOME that teaching is prevalent in rap culture... not all, but some.

 

[Cotton]

I agree with your entire post, but wanted to respond to this particular point.

This is precisely what I was getting at last night. While blacks are more of a focus with law enforcement, and I wholeheartedly believe it’s warranted, the entire problem is a class problem. It’s not fair, but it’s a reality. Blacks commit crimes, or I should say get CAUGHT committing crimes at a higher rate. Stats determine focus in law enforcement. It sucks, but it’s the way it is.

How many blacks living in the suburbs pulling down $100k a year with a wife, 2.5 kids and dog, are being gunned down? Same question for whites.

This is happening in low income areas and what exactly goes on in those places? How safe do you feel when you enter those neighborhoods? Those neighborhoods are prominently black and brown. Go figure.

We have a poverty problem, we don’t have a black people being hunted problem.

That's what I was talking about above. Some people (blacks and whites both) are stuck in this cycle of poverty/crime. But, I can't excuse that shit. I just can't. I was homeless for 2 months at one point. I hate fucking talking about that shit, but I pulled/scratched/clawed my way out of that shit. It's not impossible, but you have to fucking want to. So, because of my experience, I have little sympathy. Put your fucking working shoes on and go to work. Again, I know how they feel, but I didn't feel sorry for myself. I fixed it.

White privilege, right?

 

[Cotton]

I think there has to be a combo of accountability from within the black community and also as a country we need to be looking for solutions for the external causes of poverty in the black community like underfunded schools or need for better job opportunities.
I wonder how much of a positive impact it would have to put more affordable trade/vocational schools in these communities? More black plumbers, welders, electricians, ect.
Better opportunity = better advantage.

Wow, these are all great ideas. And, not just for the black community. Trades have been lost in this country. We need more plumbers, carpenters, electricians, welders, etc.

 

[bbgun]

I don't remember the poor ass Waltons going on a crime spree. Fatherlessness, the welfare state, a contempt for education and IQ are the culprits, not class.

 

[Sheik]

That's what I was talking about above. Some people (blacks and whites both) are stuck in this cycle of poverty/crime. But, I can't excuse that shit. I just can't. I was homeless for 2 months at one point. I hate fucking talking about that shit, but I pulled/scratched/clawed my way out of that shit. It's not impossible, but you have to fucking want to. So, because of my experience, I have little sympathy. Put your fucking working shoes on and go to work. Again, I know how they feel, but I didn't feel sorry for myself. I fixed it.

White privilege, right?

It’s not white privilege, it’s wealthy privilege. Jaden fucking Smith was the Karate Kid. You think he’s getting that part if he’s not Will Smith’s kid?

Their fight isn’t with police or white people.

 

[NoDak]

Forgive my ignorance, I could be speaking out of my ass on this...would anti-govt groups/militia in the rural areas be more than likely to team up with anarchists and Antifa?

Team up with antifa? Did I just read that right?

 

[Cotton]

It’s not white privilege, it’s wealthy privilege. Jaden fucking Smith was the Karate Kid. You think he’s getting that part if he’s not Will Smith’s kid?

Their fight isn’t with police or white people.

Yep. I just wish people could see that.

 

[Cotton]

Team up with antifa? Did I just read that right?

Dude... ~swings head a bit to the right and raises eyebrows~





Not sure that will translate but whatever.