Cowboys Free Agency Thread

[DontCryWolfe]

What’s interesting is that he was a guy who had 14 picks in 5 years in Green Bay, given his box safety reputation.

Cheap deal on a player who we could potentially expect some actual production from.

 

[Simpleton]

He's certainly not elite but he's for damn sure better than Jeff Heath who's started for three years.

 

[Genghis Khan]

You realize that Witten playing was the exact problem we are talking about. Witten and Jarwin is still better than just Jarwin. Just not much better.

I agree. No question Witten lost a step but he can still get open and catch some balls.

This isn't Witten vs Jarwin (who was already here), it's Witten vs Schultz unless they add someone. That's a pretty big downgrade considering it doesn't look like Schultz can play at all.

 

[Stasheroo]

I'm not sure how anyone right now could say this defense is more talented. We literally lost two of our best defensive players. A 10+ sack DE and an elite level corner. Not even counting the bit player losses that I don't care about because they are replacement level in Collins amd Heath.

You've replaced two elite level guys with one old former probowler. I can't see how that equals better. But we can't be done so there is time for that to change.

Some people will force themselves to believe what they want to believe, regardless of whether it is true or not.

 

[Stasheroo]

The talent level isn’t “anywhere close”? Come on now. This is just delusional.

Who's replacing the Pro Bowl cornerback? Who did they get to replace the guy that got them 11.5 sacks last year?

Yeah, we can all see exactly who is "delusional" here.

That being said, I do expect a significant improvement in record with this very similar roster. So all this is gonna be mooted anyway.

Why do you expect that improvement then?

What I find hilarious is the negative nancies who want to keep bitching about personnel and also maintain the coaching is a lot better. They want to be able to have their 7-9 predictions because it’s the easy thing to do when the team doesn’t sign the free agents they want personally. To explain how this is possible with such an improved coaching staff, we are now inventing the myth that the talent “is no where close to last year.”



Ridiculous.

Then answer the question, who's replacing your top corner and pass rusher? I'll wait.

If the gulf between McCarty and Garrett is as vast as has been argued, then the roster as it stands TODAY, barring serious injury, wins 2+ more games than last year’s team did. Never mind after we continue to make free agent acquisitions and the draft.

Don’t get fucking chicken and start backpedaling because of this yearly free agency “the sky is falling” bonanza.

Nice to see you expose your true colors here, and a pathetic attempt to defend Garrett's incompetence, proving everything I said true. It took a while, but it came out.

It's funny that you already want to have your cake and eat it too. On one hand, you're expecting that better record, but on the other, you won't admit the dropoff in player talent that will have to be overcome to do it.

You're exposed.

 

[Stasheroo]

Get the fuck outta here, Schmitty.

Our "talent" has been stripped. It is obvious.

Another Garrett apologist. I'm embarrassed for him.

He can lie to himself if he needs to, rather than to admit that he was worshipping a false idol, but nobody else is buying that bullshit.

 

[Stasheroo]

What’s interesting is that he was a guy who had 14 picks in 5 years in Green Bay, given his box safety reputation.

Cheap deal on a player who we could potentially expect some actual production from.

Where does this 'box safety reputation' come from? Physicality and tackling are his two biggest issues.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

He's certainly not elite but he's for damn sure better than Jeff Heath who's started for three years.

Yeah I mean I like the signing but we still need another DT desperately. He is a good player. I do get a little sick of all the one year deals Dallas signs guys to in free agency. All these guys end up bolting like Cobb and Quinn after a good year here.

So sure I like Clinton-Dix but good year or bad year he probably isn't back next year. Then we are all worried about safety again.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Some people will force themselves to believe what they want to believe, regardless of whether it is true or not.

I mean I want to feel like the defense is better. Clinton-Dix at least helps a little. And hell the defense could be better but again that's pure coaching at this point if it is.

 

[Stasheroo]

I mean I want to feel like the defense is better. Clinton-Dix at least helps a little. And hell the defense could be better but again that's pure coaching at this point if it is.

Yes, it's certainly not from equal footing in terms of personnel gained and lost. Certainly not so far. If some more and better additions happen? I reserve the right to change my position. But as of now, this team lost their best corner and pass rusher and have signed nothing that comes close to an equal replacement.

 

[Donpingon]

In all likelihood I think this team is betting on David Irving and Randy Gregory not missing a beat

 

[mcnuttz]

In all likelihood I think this team is betting on David Irving and Randy Gregory not missing a beat

Fuck David Irving.

 

[Stasheroo]

In all likelihood I think this team is betting on David Irving and Randy Gregory not missing a beat

Then they are truly dumber than I thought.

 

[langston]

Moved the post........
The Jones's are like skid marks on drawers, bleach them all you want but that skid mark will still be there. I SHAKE MY HEAD just wondering when will all the stupidity end. We went from being average to below average, it really goes all the way back to giving Zeke WAYYYY too much money. Had Jerry done what LA Chargers did to Gordon, they may have saved a little bit of money.
Pollard was doing pretty darn good and even got Jerry responding by saying Zeke who......
Its too late now Jerry stuck it in and pulled out late, over paid for Cooper. Should have dangled him out there for feelers on draft picks.
Fo sho should have put the feelers out for DOOKIE Prescott and see what would been available for him. Now everyone is jumping ship because they know the team went south, signing old as fuck players is not the solution.
Again I SHAKE MY HEAD.
Lets see what the BOYS can do this year, maybe some sort of miracle can happen.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

In all likelihood I think this team is betting on David Irving and Randy Gregory not missing a beat

I get Gregory a bit. I don't think he ever stopped trying. Irving though is done.

 

[Smitty]

Get the fuck outta here, Schmitty.

Our "talent" has been stripped. It is obvious.

LOL ok DFDC

 

[Smitty]

You realize that Witten playing was the exact problem we are talking about. Witten and Jarwin is still better than just Jarwin. Just not much better.

I don't know if I agree with this sentiment. You're gonna get different things for sure, but not necessarily worse. If Witten was on the field "too much," though, and Jarwin represents a passing game upgrade over Witten, then Jarwin being on the field more represents an upgrade in all those snaps.

We may miss the snaps that Witten would have offered as a backup, if we were willing to use him that way, but we weren't under the last coaching staff. But the plus/minus analysis here would be that for the majority of the snaps a better player will be on the field.

 

[Smitty]

I'm not sure how anyone right now could say this defense is more talented.

I didn't say it was more talented. I said it's not substantially worse, and also that the offseason is not over yet. Whaddaya know, we added Clinton-Dix, so there's an upgrade at safety over Heath too, despite that boozeman told me last night "Dude it's over."

We literally lost two of our best defensive players. A 10+ sack DE and an elite level corner. Not even counting the bit player losses that I don't care about because they are replacement level in Collins amd Heath.

Collins and Heath have either been upgraded or adequately replaced. McCoy and Clinton-Dix are very possible improvements, they certainly are not substantially worse/drastically lower talent level.

Byron Jones, who gives a fuck. A corner everyone bitched about because he never made a play and the team never made a single overture towards keeping him. Even forgetting for a moment that corner is the least important part of a defense, I'm actually excited to see what Jourdan Lewis can do with an expanded role - he's a playmaker. And on top of that, again, we still have the draft.

I will admit that the depth here has so far taken a hit -- we are not sure what we have in Canady but obviously he's not Byron Jones. But corner is a numbers game more than anything else rather than a position you are getting a huge impact from, especially when your "top corner" has 2 career interceptions.

This position is a downgrade but not one that I expect will substantially hurt us and may even be outweighed by fucking finally getting Jeff Heath out of the lineup.

As for Quinn, yeah, he was a good pass rusher and had a resurgent year, but he was also a net negative run player. I recall when Gregory was here the year prior and I think he offered a lot of the same if you are thinking of the two players as secondary pass rushers to Lawrence.

And if we add a player like Kinlaw in the draft I might wager the DL is better overall.

But we can't be done so there is time for that to change.

Well and that's the most important part. We aren't done even now. I do expect Sanders to sign here too, but we'll see.

This is a tough offseason because we are dealing with some mega contracts but they are all really for players of secondary importance. We haven't been "stripped."

This team should be expected as we stand here today to be a ten win team.

If it's not, then I repeat what I said before. It's gonna be funny to watch the explanations as to how the coaching upgrade did not translate.

 

[Smitty]

Why do you expect that improvement then?

I think in your eagerness to root out Garrett supporters, you are missing my point.

I do agree that the coaching has been substantially upgraded. McCarthy was once upon a time a top-tier coach in this league (though I do not think his final few seasons in Green Bay were that stellar). I expect, or at least hope, his time off and recharging of batteries means we have a solid upgrade on our hands.

But that's exactly my point. If the coaching upgrade is as substantial as we're being lead to believe, then this team should be expected to win 10-11 games even as we stand here today.

The sad part is all the people who actually lack conviction in the belief that the coaching has been upgraded (I am not one of them) and watching them try to hedge their bets by saying "Oh, well.... we are gonna still struggle this year/go 8-8 because we have lost too much talent. Garrett had great talent, now McCarthy has none!"

Please.

We return every single truly key piece.

Byron Jones, I literally could not give a fuck less. I would have liked a better veteran replacement than an unknown in Canady but if we had signed, for example, someone like Desmond Trufant I basically would be calling it a wash.

We didn't -- but I'm not losing sleep at night. We will find someone in the draft and we'll be fine. Especially considering we finally managed to run Jeff Heath out of town and upgrade his spot with Clinton-Dix.

Losing Quinn hurts a little -- but we literally only have to return to 2018 to see how this defense looked with Gregory opposite Lawrence and it was just fine. Better, one might argue, actually. Not that Gregory is better than Quinn but it just shows that the "talent level" of the defense is more than just about the difference between Quinn and Gregory. Gregory will be fine, in my opinion, and he may be more than fine. He remains a player with 10+ sack potential himself. Now that the weed suspensions are over, we have a player with basically no issues. Why are we pretending he's not reliable? The single issue that has prevented him from being here has been removed from the equation. I expect him to contribute for sure.

Nice to see you expose your true colors here, and a pathetic attempt to defend Garrett's incompetence, proving everything I said true. It took a while, but it came out.

Hilarious, board noobie.

It's funny that you already want to have your cake and eat it too. On one hand, you're expecting that better record, but on the other, you won't admit the dropoff in player talent that will have to be overcome to do it.

You are the one who wants to have your cake and eat it too. My position is that the coaching is upgraded and the miniscule talent losses we face so far aren't gonna matter one iota to expectations.

Meanwhile you are trying to hedge your bets to prevent your diabtribes from looking misplaced by claiming we've suffered some massive talent loss. That way if we suck, you can blame something other than coaching, but if we improve, you can credit coaching.

Sorry, that's not gonna fly. If McCarthy tanks, he will have some explaining to do.

Our talent level is more or less the same. By time the offseason is over I expect a relatively similar squad that will be playoff favorites. What with the upgraded coaching and all.

 

[Smitty]

In all likelihood I think this team is betting on David Irving and Randy Gregory not missing a beat

I don't know what would make anyone think David Irving is at all part of this equation.

Gregory should be a valuable part of the team this year though.