Dak Watch Thread...

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It’s simple, sign the crippling four year deal and suck it up.

There’s nowhere to hide QB money, sorry, Stephen.

It will take two years to figure out whether we have a champion or not.
I want to push back a bit on the concept of the crippling contract. We've had Dak for 4 years on a cheap rookie deal. We have not been major players in FA for any of those years. We wait for the first tide to pass, then make market-appropriate deals for the Cobbs and the Quinns and the Flemings. I think there are good reasons to argue that this is the correct approach, regardless. At the same time, I can't remember the last guy that we drafted and actually wanted to keep, but couldn't because of cap reasons. It would have been nice to win while we had the discount, but we failed, the bill is due, and paying it will not prevent us from doing anything we would have wanted to do anyway.

And yes, it may take years (even more than 2) to figure out whether we have a champion, but I'm genuinely curious what you would prefer, and why you think an alternate approach would be successful. Franchise him? Trade multiple #1s and 2s to move up high enough in the first round to draft one of the top 2 QBs? Hope that a good QB falls to later in the first and have him wait a year behind a franchised Dak? Hope to hit the lottery later in the draft?
 

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This is a damn good thread. He talks about Dak (it's the length of the contract not money) that is causing the delay. But, it also talks about the team having Quinn higher on their priority list than Byron Jones. It's worth the read.

 

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I want to push back a bit on the concept of the crippling contract. We've had Dak for 4 years on a cheap rookie deal. We have not been major players in FA for any of those years. We wait for the first tide to pass, then make market-appropriate deals for the Cobbs and the Quinns and the Flemings. I think there are good reasons to argue that this is the correct approach, regardless. At the same time, I can't remember the last guy that we drafted and actually wanted to keep, but couldn't because of cap reasons. It would have been nice to win while we had the discount, but we failed, the bill is due, and paying it will not prevent us from doing anything we would have wanted to do anyway.

And yes, it may take years (even more than 2) to figure out whether we have a champion, but I'm genuinely curious what you would prefer, and why you think an alternate approach would be successful. Franchise him? Trade multiple #1s and 2s to move up high enough in the first round to draft one of the top 2 QBs? Hope that a good QB falls to later in the first and have him wait a year behind a franchised Dak? Hope to hit the lottery later in the draft?
You could franchise him intending to sign the crippling deal after 2021, but who knows how the new CBA will affect QB contracts. I can’t imagine they will be cheaper.

Franchising gives you no cap flexibility this year as well, and begins a rift with a guy you are supposedly “All in” on.

It does protect you if you feel Dak is false and ready to implode, but I think Dallas loves Dak and hates the idea of post CBA inflation costing them quite a bit more.

So Stephen needs to cave and just sign the four year deal like everyone else already has.

He has no negotiating power right now.
 

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You could franchise him intending to sign the crippling deal after 2021, but who knows how the new CBA will affect QB contracts. I can’t imagine they will be cheaper.

Franchising gives you no cap flexibility this year as well, and begins a rift with a guy you are supposedly “All in” on.

It does protect you if you feel Dak is false and ready to implode, but I think Dallas loves Dak and hates the idea of post CBA inflation costing them quite a bit more.

So Stephen needs to cave and just sign the four year deal like everyone else already has.

He has no negotiating power right now.
If the CBA makes QB contracts go up then its not crippling at all? Correct? It's simple math.
 

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The franchose tag is Stephen's only leverage in the deal. He has to threaten it. I won't be surprised if we franchise him and then work a deal out. But we better get Cooper done then because he will get stolen otherwise.
 

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The franchose tag is Stephen's only leverage in the deal. He has to threaten it. I won't be surprised if we franchise him and then work a deal out. But we better get Cooper done then because he will get stolen otherwise.
I'm good with using the non-exclusive tag on Cooper. Teams could outbid us but they would have to give up two 1s to make it happen. Nobody is going to do that.
 

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The franchose tag is Stephen's only leverage in the deal. He has to threaten it. I won't be surprised if we franchise him and then work a deal out. But we better get Cooper done then because he will get stolen otherwise.
That is exactly what I proposed.
 

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I'm good with using the non-exclusive tag on Cooper. Teams could outbid us but they would have to give up two 1s to make it happen. Nobody is going to do that.
Yeah I'm ok franchising Cooper. I'd rather sign him to an extension but I don't think he is the type of guy to throw a fit. I think he'd play his ass off and collect a nice paycheck for the year. He isn't a very outspoken guy so I think he'd be happy just to stay here, be productive and make some money. Just would be nice to have him under contract and not have to face the same issues again next offseason.
 

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Yeah I'm ok franchising Cooper. I'd rather sign him to an extension but I don't think he is the type of guy to throw a fit. I think he'd play his ass off and collect a nice paycheck for the year. He isn't a very outspoken guy so I think he'd be happy just to stay here, be productive and make some money. Just would be nice to have him under contract and not have to face the same issues again next offseason.
They were stuck paying Cooper the moment they traded for him. All leverage immediately shifted to him and his agent.

I think several teams made similar mistakes recently. The Texans in trading those 1st round picks for Laremy Tunsil, and then the Rams by trading two for Jalen Ramsey. When that happens, players and agents know that teams have to give them essentially whatever they want and can't possibly let them walk after making that initial draft investment.

A careless practice that will likely cost some of them their jobs. Although of course not the GM that owns the team.
 

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Or drafting a RB 4th.
Yep.

And I can't remember the last Super Bowl Champion that got there with the league's top-paid running back. It does not appear to be a winning strategy in the modern era.

But we seem to adhere to the pattern of making sure that we 'pay our triplets', whether their success lives up to the hype or not.
 

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Yep.

And I can't remember the last Super Bowl Champion that got there with the league's top-paid running back. It does not appear to be a winning strategy in the modern era.

But we seem to adhere to the pattern of making sure that we 'pay our triplets', whether their success lives up to the hype or not.
The problem is Jason Garrett's head was not in the modern era. He was still stuck back in the time of the triplets.
 

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If the CBA makes QB contracts go up then its not crippling at all? Correct? It's simple math.
QB contracts are always your biggest, crippling contract.

We want to sign him four years at the current rate rather than a cheaper but inflexible single year followed by four years at a higher rate.

That’s your simple math
 

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$33mil per turned down? Fucking travesty. The dude is maybe worth $25-$27mil per. Steve McNair-lite wants north of $33mil per. That’s probably the funniest thing I’ve heard in a while.

What’s Mahomes worth? $55mil per?
 

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And he doesn't mention that a big part of that is Dak has a nasty habit that many of his throws are right at or just behind the WR. He's not the best at leading a WR to the open spot or hitting them in stride for YAC.
 

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Tells me that the receivers are pretty much covered when they make the catch . Not really a good stat. YAC usually means receivers are open with room to run. Dallas receivers need to get the ball quicker. DAK waits too long to throw.
 
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