Dak Watch Thread...

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Food for thought, I should bet the farm and make 35%...BookMaker.eu, the market-setting offshore sports book, disagrees with the nay-sayers. According to the site, Romo is a -160 favorite to be enshrined in Canton, meaning you'd have to bet $160 to win $100.

He's a +135 underdog to be left out, meaning you'd win $135 on a $100 bet.

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[L.T. Fan]

What are you even asking?

You're like this guy in the Princess Bride who just talks about pointless bullshit in circles.

I am asking what has Dak done to earn himself a right to be counted in the group that can demand the amount you apparently think is near the top of market economics which is in the ranges of $35M according to some. Do you think he is in this group and if so why? The sarcasm and petty digs aren’t really necessary.

 

[Cujo]

This has the feel of a parent (usually a woman) going through a divorce who initially goes into it telling her lawyer how she doesn't want to screw the dad over in either time shared with the child or money taken in child support and alimony, only to then allow the lawyer to dictate the situation and convince them that getting every penny and winning every battle is the only way to go.

If so, then this is not going to end well for the Cowboys as an organization even if they do get him signed.

Either they never agree on a dollar amount, or they sign him to a deal that we're regretting in a few years -- and this is coming from someone who believes we can win a SB with him and believes we should get him signed.

I just don't want to sign a solid but not spectacular QB to a spectacular contract that is going to handicap us in the near future.

I am in total agreement.

 

[Simpleton]

I am asking what has Dak done to earn himself a right to be counted in the group that can demand the amount you apparently think is near the top of market economics which is in the ranges of $35M according to some. Do you think he is in this group and if so why? The sarcasm and petty digs aren’t really necessary.

He definitely deserves roughly 32-33/year based on the contracts given to Goff and Wentz, anything the team is willing to give him beyond that is a trade off based on the risk/reward of keeping him long-term vs. potentially having to cut ties and trade him now.

I don't think he's the second, third or even fourth best QB in the league, but negotiations work a certain way in the NFL and if they want to keep him the price starts in that 32-33 range that Wentz/Goff got. That's the reality and that's the context in which I'm saying a fair compromise is in the 34 range, based on the assumption that the team isn't willing to start over at QB.

 

[ravidubey]

I just don't want to sign a solid but not spectacular QB to a spectacular contract that is going to handicap us in the near future.

Ace, you just pissed off The Cult. Tread carefully.

It’s simple, sign the crippling four year deal and suck it up.

There’s nowhere to hide QB money, sorry, Stephen.

It will take two years to figure out whether we have a champion or not.

If Dak totally shits the bed, you draft his replacement and call for open competition, trading him if you have to.

 

[NoDak]

Statement was that any reasonable NFL fan would agree that Romo's better than Eli. My response is that not only will reasonable NFL fans disagree, so will the HOF voters.

Romo will never be a finalist, let alone inducted into HOF. Eli's being debated as a first ballot. Philip Rivers will get more consideration than Romo.

I've already exhausted my thoughts on Eli's candidacy.

I'll stand behind what I wrote. Will you?

Eli >>>>>>>>> Romo

 

[L.T. Fan]

He definitely deserves roughly 32-33/year based on the contracts given to Goff and Wentz, anything the team is willing to give him beyond that is a trade off based on the risk/reward of keeping him long-term vs. potentially having to cut ties and trade him now.

I don't think he's the second, third or even fourth best QB in the league, but negotiations work a certain way in the NFL and if they want to keep him the price starts in that 32-33 range that Wentz/Goff got. That's the reality and that's the context in which I'm saying a fair compromise is in the 34 range, based on the assumption that the team isn't willing to start over at QB.

Okay but the two individuals you list as comparatives are really only similar as to when they arrived in the league. As far as making a mark for accomplishment Dak isn’t in their group when it comes to having reached post season levels. I think he is a little behind them.

 

[Rev]

Okay but the two individuals you list as comparatives are really only similar as to when they arrived in the league. As far as making a mark for accomplishment Dak isn’t in their group when it comes to having reached post season levels. I think he is a little behind them.

He's ahead of Wentz in post season levels. Wentz is always hurt in post season.

 

[ravidubey]

He's ahead of Wentz in post season levels. Wentz is always hurt in post season.

Wentz and Goff have each helped their teams get to Superbowls, but you get the feeling neither are quite cooked yet.

Each team’s elite talent at DT was just as responsible for getting them to the big game.

Romo, Dak... these guys had/have to totally carry the team. A Superbowl is all but impossible.

 

[L.T. Fan]

He's ahead of Wentz in post season levels. Wentz is always hurt in post season.

One season as I recall. Maybe 2 but his regular season efforts got them in a position to be there. To me he is only ahead of Dak a small amount but it’s probably all moot when it comes to getting a contract done. I like Dak but he lost me some when he threatened to sit out. It was too much like Elliot’s antics but at least he played out his rookie contract. Jones doesn’t need my approval to make contracts.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

One season as I recall. Maybe 2 but his regular season efforts got them in a position to be there. To me he is only ahead of Dak a small amount but it’s probably all moot when it comes to getting a contract done. I like Dak but he lost me some when he threatened to sit out. It was too much like Elliot’s antics but at least he played out his rookie contract. Jones doesn’t need my approval to make contracts.

Dak is better than Wentz. Wentz had zero to do with their post season success. Dak has also gotten his team to the playoffs twice and has done more during the regular season. The only difference is Wentz doesn't even play in the post season. He gets hurt by then every year. Plus his coaching has been light years better than what Dak has gotten most of his time in Dallas. Shit their head coach is so good he can win a Superbowl with Nick fucking Foles. That tells you something.

And anyone retard who watched Goff and Dak last season can tell you Dak is the better QB. It was painfully obvious. Again, great coaching led to post season success. And a studly defense.

 

[Rev]

One season as I recall. Maybe 2 but his regular season efforts got them in a position to be there. To me he is only ahead of Dak a small amount but it’s probably all moot when it comes to getting a contract done. I like Dak but he lost me some when he threatened to sit out. It was too much like Elliot’s antics but at least he played out his rookie contract. Jones doesn’t need my approval to make contracts.

Wentz only has 1 playoff game on his resume and guess what.... He got hurt after 3 passes.

If you want to say Goff has done more then sure. He has been to the SB once. Played poorly but got there. Personally I think it was a fluke but I guess we will see in the years to come.


I do think Simp has two comps right, though. All three have their warts but based on going rates of the position I think its a place to start.

 

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Okay but the two individuals you list as comparatives are really only similar as to when they arrived in the league. As far as making a mark for accomplishment Dak isn’t in their group when it comes to having reached post season levels. I think he is a little behind them.

Says the man who believes post-season success is more a team achievement than individual achievement.

So Romo is better than Aikman, but Romo shouldn’t make as much as Aikman?

 

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I'll stand behind what I wrote. Will you?

This isn’t Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson. The Forrest Gump of QBs went into Green Bay twice in the playoffs and beat them. Eli stepped up in the second Super Bowl, throwing 40 passes and still posting a 103.7 passer rating.

As prolific as Tony Romo was, he had trouble getting past Week 17. Say what you will about the defense, but his offense only put up 6 points in the 44-6 Week 17 Philly loss. 14 points in the 2011, Week 17 loss. 18 points in 2012, Week 17.

Marino was recently named All-Time 100 Team QB, yet I’d take Aikman over Marino in a heartbeat. Id like to say Romo...Romo’s the better QB, but...

 

[Stasheroo]

Okay but the two individuals you list as comparatives are really only similar as to when they arrived in the league. As far as making a mark for accomplishment Dak isn’t in their group when it comes to having reached post season levels. I think he is a little behind them.

Look again. Closer.

 

[Stasheroo]

Dak is better than Wentz. Wentz had zero to do with their post season success. Dak has also gotten his team to the playoffs twice and has done more during the regular season. The only difference is Wentz doesn't even play in the post season. He gets hurt by then every year. Plus his coaching has been light years better than what Dak has gotten most of his time in Dallas. Shit their head coach is so good he can win a Superbowl with Nick fucking Foles. That tells you something.

And anyone retard who watched Goff and Dak last season can tell you Dak is the better QB. It was painfully obvious. Again, great coaching led to post season success. And a studly defense.

Dak is far ahead of them in all areas. I can't believe that some people are so uninformed as to continue to contend otherwise.

Do some homework folks!

 

[NoDak]

This isn’t Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson. The Forrest Gump of QBs went into Green Bay twice in the playoffs and beat them. Eli stepped up in the second Super Bowl, throwing 40 passes and still posting a 103.7 passer rating.

As prolific as Tony Romo was, he had trouble getting past Week 17. Say what you will about the defense, but his offense only put up 6 points in the 44-6 Week 17 Philly loss. 14 points in the 2011, Week 17 loss. 18 points in 2012, Week 17.

Marino was recently named All-Time 100 Team QB, yet I’d take Aikman over Marino in a heartbeat. Id like to say Romo...Romo’s the better QB, but...

So now we've come full circle and are back to my original statement.

 

[L.T. Fan]

Dak is far ahead of them in all areas. I can't believe that some people are so uninformed as to continue to contend otherwise.

Do some homework folks!

My statement says having reached the post season not performance in the post season.

 

[Stasheroo]

My statement says having reached the post season not performance in the post season.

So what is it worth when Wentz stands on the sideline on crutches? Your "statement" likewise holds no value.

Here's the homework you should have done:

Versus Finder | Player and Team Comparison and Head-to-Head Stats | Stathead.com

Versus Finder is a comparison tool by Stathead.com that lets you compare players and teams across football. If you're looking for head-to-head comparisons, the Versus Finder is your go-to tool

www.pro-football-reference.com

But you're welcome all the same.

 

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Because of the fifth-year clause for first rounders, Dak’s negotiations are also negotiations for Goff and Wentz’s floors next season.