Why rooting for the Cowboys to lose with Jason Garrett’s future in mind is just silly

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By Tim Cowlishaw
3:36 PM on Dec 4, 2019

Maybe this just feels like it happens a lot because I’m still shivering from the 2013 visit. But the Cowboys are back in Chicago for a night game the week after Thanksgiving, and to say anything is possible is understating the case.

The Bears could win (as they did in 2013). The Cowboys could win (as they did in 2014). And Cowboys fans could hope for the Bears to win.

I don’t really understand the third option, but I know it exists. There is a segment of the Cowboys’ fan base that is so far gone on the Jason Garrett question that victories that might lead to the head coach staying beyond the 2019 season are scarier than defeats that send the team below the .500 mark.

Like I said, I have never bought into this idea, which seems to crop up more in college conversations — lose just to get rid of a coach — even if I fully understand the frustration of the Garrett years. The man is 18 games over .500, better than average, but let’s say completely average when it comes to managing big games. Two recent losing ventures into the AFC East come to mind as the Cowboys cling to first despite a paltry 6-6 record.

The five coaches who have been in place longer than Garrett — New England’s Bill Belichick, New Orleans’ Sean Payton, Pittsburgh’s Mike Tomlin, Baltimore’s John Harbaugh and Seattle’s Pete Carroll — all have won Super Bowls. Even the next two on the list after Garrett are Kansas City’s Andy Reid and Minnesota’s Mike Zimmer, and they at least have been to conference championship games with their current teams. Reid took the Eagles to a Super Bowl, too, and made it to five NFC title games in Philadelphia.

We just saw Carolina part with Ron Rivera, who got his job in 2011, the same offseason Garrett was having the interim tag removed from his lapel. Rivera’s overall record was similar to but slightly below Garrett’s win percentage. Yet he took the Panthers to a Super Bowl just four years ago. When you reach that game, you are viewed as a special coach, but if you fail to win, your time in that regard is limited.

See the status of Atlanta’s Dan Quinn for more information.

Even winning the ultimate game — the one we all know the Cowboys have not reached since the 1995 season, same as the NFC Championship Game — provides no long-term guarantees. The last two coaches not named Belichick to win Super Bowls are Gary Kubiak and Doug Pederson. Kubiak had several health scares that limited his desire to stay on as a head coach and he’s now an assistant head coach in Minnesota.

And Pederson, virtually handed the keys to the city after bringing Philadelphia its first Lombardi Trophy less than 24 months ago, talked this week of how disgusted he is with himself for allowing the Eagles to lose to Miami and remain one game behind Garrett’s Cowboys.

The point is, I understand the desire to move forward in Dallas. After a certain length of time, a new voice is necessary if only to renew hope among players and fans. As long as this team falls short of owner Jerry Jones’ fairy-tale dream in the postseason, we can anticipate a new coach in 2020. It should be noted that none of them — that means all the way to the top, which would be talking Belichick or Nick Saban or Urban Meyer onto the Cowboys’ payroll — come with any guarantees. Those first two names also fall into that same “fairy tale” category Jones discussed recently on his radio show although it appears Meyer would be interested.

So please feel free to enjoy the ride, as turbulent as this one might be in 2019. The 2007 New York Giants won the Super Bowl as a 10-6 wild-card team, beating the undefeated Patriots. The 2011 Giants won the Super Bowl as a 9-7 division winner. And the 2010 Seattle Seahawks won a playoff game as a 7-9 division winner.

I’m not suggesting there are similar qualities to be found in this year’s Cowboys team, but I can also assure you — as I do in this section every Friday — that I cannot predict the outcomes of NFL games.

Neither can anyone else.

The 2020 season and a new face in the center of the team photo will be here soon enough. Let things play out, and enjoy watching a December Bears-Cowboys game from the best view possible — the one in your living room.
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Sorry, Tim. I rooted for us to lose the last game of the '88 season for the long-term benefit of the franchise. This is another one of those moments.
 

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Fuck off, Tim. I will fan how I choose to fan, and right now I would offer up my first born to get him fired. Go Bears!
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I mean if we have no shot this year I could see an argument for a higher draft pick. But I've never really understood the concept of hoping a team tanks in order to fire a coach. The coach should be fired regardless of wins or losses at this point.
 

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I mean if we have no shot this year I could see an argument for a higher draft pick. But I've never really understood the concept of hoping a team tanks in order to fire a coach. The coach should be fired regardless of wins or losses at this point.
The key words in your post are "should be". Since we are talking about Jerry Jones, I will go with the sure thing and hope for us to lose out. That GUARANTEES he won't be back.
 

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The key words in your post are "should be". Since we are talking about Jerry Jones, I will go with the sure thing and hope for us to lose out. That GUARANTEES he won't be back.
It doesn't though. Jerry could decide to keep him around regardless. Not any more so than winning the rest of our regular season games guarantees his return. What you're hoping is for 2 separate things. You don't have to hope for one in order to hope for the other.

People were hoping for a bad Thanksgiving Day loss because Garrett would get the boot. He still didn't get the boot. We just all didn't get any enjoyable football on Thanksgiving. So if I'm going to hope for something I'm going to hope for wins and for Garrett to get the boot.
 

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The coach should be fired regardless of wins or losses at this point.
consider the "GM" in this case and it makes total sense

shit has to be driven through his thick fucking skull before he begins to resemble having a clue
 

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consider the "GM" in this case and it makes total sense

shit has to be driven through his thick fucking skull before he begins to resemble having a clue
There are a lot of scenarios where Garrett isn't back as the coach next year. I'm not sure why wishing for the worst case scenario that includes Garrett being fired makes the most logical sense to people. It makes no logical sense to me. Why not wish for the best case scenario that includes Garrett not being the head coach next year.

Now if you could convince me that Garrett would get fired during the season I could get on board. Because I see the benefits to getting this team headed in a new direction right now. But if all we are hoping is for Garrett to walk after this year, losing out doesn't benefit the team besides the higher draft pick.
 
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It doesn't though. Jerry could decide to keep him around regardless. Not any more so than winning the rest of our regular season games guarantees his return. What you're hoping is for 2 separate things. You don't have to hope for one in order to hope for the other.

People were hoping for a bad Thanksgiving Day loss because Garrett would get the boot. He still didn't get the boot. We just all didn't get any enjoyable football on Thanksgiving. So if I'm going to hope for something I'm going to hope for wins and for Garrett to get the boot.

You have more faith in Jerry. Cant see him backing out of his Super Bowl challenge at all. I just think he doesnt want to fire him but will "agree" to part ways.
 

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You have more faith in Jerry. Cant see him backing out of his Super Bowl challenge at all. I just think he doesnt want to fire him but will "agree" to part ways.
The funny thing is Garrett doesn't have a contract after this year. Garrett could decide to walk all on his own if he wanted to and Jerry couldn't stop him regardless. I think Garrett is out after this year. Maybe someone will hire him and Jerry will save face. Maybe no one will. But unless Garrett pulls off a miracle in the playoffs he won't be back next year.
 

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Seriously, I feel he’s lost the locker room. And the record reflects it. There’s no win streak coming, no running the table. Colossal underperformance on all fronts. I don’t need to root against Garrett, it’s taking care of itself
 

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Is it wrong that I have been rooting for us to lose since the Eagles game?
 

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Seriously, I feel he’s lost the locker room. And the record reflects it. There’s no win streak coming, no running the table. Colossal underperformance on all fronts. I don’t need to root against Garrett, it’s taking care of itself
Bad thing is that Garrett is like a cockroach.

He's gone 3-1 in December the last three years or something like that.
 

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The relatively new scheduling policy of stacking division games at the end has been a huge boost in this terrible division.
 

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Why not wish for the best case scenario that includes Garrett being the head coach next year.
because I believe jeri is looking for any excuse to keep Garrett and anything that lunatic can grasp hold of to justify the status quo, I'm certain he'll cling to, so imo Dallas needs as many losses from here on out. An added bonus is higher picks for the new coach because he's gonna need every advantage he can find since he'll not only be fighting the rest of the league but his owner/GM as well

parity gives jeri cover for his ineptitude so imo a string of failure never seen would be the best thing for this organization, I'm talking 3-4 years of less than 5 wins per, I want jeri miserable but parity will keep that from ever happening and allow the idiot to continue with his fantasies
 

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because I believe jeri is looking for any excuse to keep Garrett and anything that lunatic can grasp hold of to justify the status quo, I'm certain he'll cling to, so imo Dallas needs as many losses from here on out. An added bonus is higher picks for the new coach because he's gonna need every advantage he can find since he'll not only be fighting the rest of the league but his owner/GM as well

parity gives jeri cover for his ineptitude so imo a string of failure never seen would be the best thing for this organization, I'm talking 3-4 years of less than 5 wins per, I want jeri miserable but parity will keep that from ever happening and allow the idiot to continue with his fantasies
Is it too difficult for you to spell "Jerry"?
 
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