Religion thread...

[Jiggyfly]

I think you're confusing having your flaming retardation called out once a month or so to stalking, Al.

By your definition, most here must stalk you then. I am far from the only person who laughs at your three semi-working brain cells. Tough break.

 

[BipolarFuk]

 

[Genghis Khan]

Don't atheists do the same to Christians? And I'd say that same coincidence is there for them, too.

Some do maybe. Not sure how that would make it ok for a christian to do.

 

[skidadl]

Or you can rely on common sense.

I can't disprove the existence of a monster in my closet, but I can deduce it based on what I know about the universe.

But truthfully, we aren't talking about and brushing off life at all, what we are really talking about is whether the specific deity of the Christians, Jews and Muslims exists.

My own feeling is very close to the thoughts posted from Stephen fry above. I used to be very strong in my faith. Little by little it was chipped away at by the circumstances of this world. Then one day it hit me. There either is no god, or he's a huge asshole.

If you don't mind I'd like to address that. I think that this is a common thought that comes up a bunch. I honesty think that it is based in really weak theology, which makes it easy to disengage from Christianity.

Mainstream Chrisitianity in America is generally screwed up IMO. Lots of the discussions have been turned towards defending or creating hot bottom issues, which is really sad. I think the huge distraction is all of these issues that Christians have been sucked into by their lack of real faith or just plan ignorance.

Anyhoo, your concerns are pretty easily explained.

1. God gave dominion and authority of the earth to man in the beginning. In other words, create your own destiny and do what you please. Man is the boss.

2. Man gave it back. Hence "the fall."

3. Now here's the part where most don't have God understating - Jesus came and let man have dominion over the earth restored to man. Christians generally don't understand that these days becaus we are too focused on gays or whatever.

How does that apply? It is up to us. The promise was restored to believers through Jesus to live freely. What have believers generally don't with that authority? Misused it. So, if life is kicking your ass you are living in the world that we created and its natural consiquences.

Lots of folks like to preach really stupid stuff like God is pouring out His wrath on us, blah blah, Katrina and all of that. That is so far of base theologically...it drives me crazy. All of the wrath was poured out upon Jesus on the cross. God simply lets us do on the earth what we want. That is pretty much why you see life sucking so bad at times.

If you continue to sin you will eventually get burned. It had nothing to do with wrath. It is much like what we see in our own children. Eventually you let them go. Teach them the right thing and let them decide at some point in their lives. Now, if they turn their lives to crap and go to jail or whatever does that mean that you are an asshole as a parent? Not at all. It just means that we all decide to do what we want.

I don't know if I made any sense at all. There is much more that I could add but I'm sure that leaves room for enough discussion as it is.

 

[skidadl]

I have to take umbrage with this. Is it lazy and arrogant if there is no further work to be done?

Religion is an attempt to answer the questions, Where did we come from? And Why are we here?

If the answers are: we just kinda happened, and, no particular reason... what further work is there?

That's not what many atheists do though. They attack a belief that they've dismissed based in what pundits have said about it rather that having a sound basis from which to argue.

Throw up the same arguments that just about any atheist ascribes to and you are basically back to the same point of a Christian who is arguing that the bible is right based on very shallow theology.

 

[skidadl]

BTW, to be clear about my post above, I question the vagueness of the bible. I can see the loopholes left open for other worlds. I also see seas splitting, eyeballs healing, people coming back from the dead, and worldwide flooding with animals and more importantly humans procreating from incest after that flood that get my panties in a wad.

Is there a bible for every world?

Jesus never said anything about other life. I don't see why it is even and argument. So, somehow Christianity is either true or false based on if there is other life? How is this so if Christianity doesn't even address it?

Sorry, I'm argument that both sides are wrong. That isn't aimed at anyone particular besides the people who are trying to prove this point.

 

[Cotton]

Jesus never said anything about other life. I don't see why it is even and argument. So, somehow Christianity is either true or false based on if there is other life? How is this so if Christianity doesn't even address it?

Sorry, I'm argument that both sides are wrong. That isn't aimed at anyone particular besides the people who are trying to prove this point.

You didn't answer a single question I brought up.

 

[skidadl]

You didn't answer a single question I brought up.

I'm not sure what you are referring to.

 

[Cotton]

I'm not sure what you are referring to.

The questions/issues in the post you quoted. Only one small sentence had anything to do with other life. The rest were concerns about the bible's cred.

 

[L.T. Fan]

The questions/issues in the post you quoted. Only one small sentence had anything to do with other life. The rest were concerns about the bible's cred.

If there is another world(s) maybe they didn't unfold and do the same thing that this one did so if they eventually recorded anything like a bible , it my be that they only dealt with their unfolding process.

 

[skidadl]

The questions/issues in the post you quoted. Only one small sentence had anything to do with other life. The rest were concerns about the bible's cred.

Ah, I see. It sure seemed like you were mentioning the "loopholes" in reference to life on other planet and throwing in those examples. Basically you opened the post and closed it with "other world" references, which lead me to believe that was your main point.

 

[Cotton]

Ah, I see. It sure seemed like you were mentioning the "loopholes" in reference to life on other planet and throwing in those examples. Basically you opened the post and closed it with "other world" references, which lead me to believe that was your main point.

It was part of my point, but definitely not all of it.

 

[skidadl]

BTW, to be clear about my post above, I question the vagueness of the bible. I can see the loopholes left open for other worlds. I also see seas splitting, eyeballs healing, people coming back from the dead, and worldwide flooding with animals and more importantly humans procreating from incest after that flood that get my panties in a wad.

I see one question mark here but I got the impression that you want me to address all of your point?

Vagueness - welp, the bible isn't scientific volumes that answer every single question that has or ever will come up. The bible reveals the how nature of God that is woven throughout different covenants. The purpose isn't to answer ever question in the universe. Man's questions never stop, so that is impossible.


Healings - yes, they happened. What is your question with that?

The flood - yes it happened.

Incest - yes, it happened. This is one that I find particularly funny. Pretty much the same folks who mock the idea that humans were created by God, for God have questioned this in a hilarious way. The thought against that is that humans are so self centered that they believe that we are basically not more important than animals. You ever hear that one from atheists? So, we are pretty much like any other animals. Then you mention that incest was necessary for the human race to continue and then it is like....WHAAAAAA?!! THATS SICK!!! So whats the big deal with incest here? I'm not getting it. Incest has been widely practiced for a long time. I know we don't do that in modern society but it has been the norm at times in history.

Is there a bible for every world?

I personally do not think that coincides with the plan for man, so I don't believe so.

 

[Cotton]

I see one question mark here but I got the impression that you want me to address all of your point?

Vagueness - welp, the bible isn't scientific volumes that answer every single question that has or ever will come up. The bible reveals the how nature of God that is woven throughout different covenants. The purpose isn't to answer ever question in the universe. Man's questions never stop, so that is impossible.


Healings - yes, they happened. What is your question with that?

The flood - yes it happened.

Incest - yes, it happened. This is one that I find particularly funny. Pretty much the same folks who mock the idea that humans were created by God, for God have questioned this in a hilarious way. The thought against that is that humans are so self centered that they believe that we are basically not more important than animals. You ever hear that one from atheists? So, we are pretty much like any other animals. Then you mention that incest was necessary for the human race to continue and then it is like....WHAAAAAA?!! THATS SICK!!! So whats the big deal with incest here? I'm not getting it. Incest has been widely practiced for a long time. I know we don't do that in modern society but it has been the norm at times in history.


I personally do not think that coincides with the plan for man, so I don't believe so.

Props for replying. I don't agree with you on about half of that, but props, nonetheless.

 

[Cotton]

BTW, what does the bible say about incest?

Oh yeah...

 

[skidadl]

BTW, what does the bible say about incest?

Oh yeah...

Oh boy, not this again.

Times, seasons, covenants...



This is what always gives me a chuckle. Imagine this something for me for a second with an open mind:

Imagine that we are reading history about American in thousands of years. We read that incest at one time was allowed by the laws. The later we read that it wasn't. Now imagine you are arguing against America even being real or accurate at all. If you read both of those would you be like, "SEEEE!!! so many desprecies!!!! AMERICA IS BULLSHIT!!!!" or would you use reason and see that it was once allowed and then later it wasn't. Common sense could go a long way here.

I can guarantee you one thing - if earth froze over and only a few were left incest would become perfectly acceptable, legal and fine again.

Most will never pick up a bible and study through while trying to grasp the essence of it throughout. Instead there are all of these little hang-ups that get re-hashed over and over.

 

[Cotton]

Oh boy, not this again.

Times, seasons, covenants...



This is what always gives me a chuckle. Imagine this something for me for a second with an open mind:

Imagine that we are reading history about American in thousands of years. We read that incest at one time was allowed by the laws. The later we read that it wasn't. Now imagine you are arguing against America even being real or accurate at all. If you read both of those would you be like, "SEEEE!!! so many desprecies!!!! AMERICA IS BULLSHIT!!!!" or would you use reason and see that it was once allowed and then later it wasn't. Common sense could go a long way here.

I can guarantee you one thing - if earth froze over and only a few were left incest would become perfectly acceptable, legal and fine again.

Most will never pick up a bible and study through while trying to grasp the essence of it throughout. Instead there are all of these little hang-ups that get re-hashed over and over.

Leviticus 18:6 ESV

“None of you shall approach any one of his close relatives to uncover nakedness. I am the Lord.

So, the Lord just changes his mind on what is allowed and what isn't? Interesting.

 

[Cotton]

And the whole old testament versus new testament argument is for the birds. Were the early christians just trying to demonstrate how far we have come as mankind? If not, why even include it in the bible if you are just going to constantly reject it as "Oh, that before jesus, dumbass!"

 

[Cotton]

So, what happens if the Lord changes his mind again? Do we get a new new testament? Or did he decide he finally got it right and published the book out of confidence in that realization?

 

[skidadl]

Leviticus 18:6 ESV

“None of you shall approach any one of his close relatives to uncover nakedness. I am the Lord.

So, the Lord just changes his mind on what is allowed and what isn't? Interesting.

Did ya happen to read my reply before?

Incest was necessary at one point. And then it wasn't. You didn't like that answer?