The Great Police Work Thread

Clay_Allison

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Yeah, my mind is made up that these shootings shouldn't be happening and I'm not going to be convinced that they are justified. I'm not going to be convinced that cops should keep their jobs and not be charged after killing someone who posed no threat. If that's closed minded then I guess I am closed minded.
 

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Yeah, my mind is made up that these shootings shouldn't be happening and I'm not going to be convinced that they are justified. I'm not going to be convinced that cops should keep their jobs and not be charged after killing someone who posed no threat. If that's closed minded then I guess I am closed minded.
I don't have a dog in this fight but I think Fortbest was trying to make the point that the troublemakers on the various forces are a very small percent but the comments made by others were all inclusive to every policeman.
 

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I don't have a dog in this fight but I think Fortbest was trying to make the point that the troublemakers on the various forces are a very small percent but the comments made by others were all inclusive to every policeman.
It doesn't matter to me what the exact percentage is, or if the shootings are caused by cops that are assholes or just ones that are poorly trained. The number of instances of cops using deadly force on people who are not a threat are too high.

Police departments covering up evidence and almost never firing the officers, much less charging them, is even worse. It's harder to believe it's just 1% of cops when the departments always protect guilty officers.

If cops were fired after shooting or beating an innocent person and prohibited from ever being a cop again, I really would consider it a problem that was slowly solving itself, even at great cost. As it is though, in almost every one of these cases, the abusive cops are back on the street, ready to beat up and kill more people.
 

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It doesn't matter to me what the exact percentage is, or if the shootings are caused by cops that are assholes or just ones that are poorly trained. The number of instances of cops using deadly force on people who are not a threat are too high.

Police departments covering up evidence and almost never firing the officers, much less charging them, is even worse. It's harder to believe it's just 1% of cops when the departments always protect guilty officers.

If cops were fired after shooting or beating an innocent person and prohibited from ever being a cop again, I really would consider it a problem that was slowly solving itself, even at great cost. As it is though, in almost every one of these cases, the abusive cops are back on the street, ready to beat up and kill more people.
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I think you'd better do a Google search for cop fired after beating and see how many there are before throwing down nonsense like that Clay. As an aside, Google jailer fired for beating as well. Those just don't get publicized as much because all you jailers beat your folk behind closed doors! :tippytoe
 

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And if you wanted to show a little fairness you could post some of the articles like these.\
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Cop-Who-Saved-Babys-Life-Attends-Her-Wedding-20-Years-Later-271590471.html
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Prince-Georges-County-Cop-Saves-Life-of-14-Year-Old-Boy-274831751.html
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/cop-pulls-speeder-over-saves-his-life-after-heart-trouble-n171406
http://www.lohud.com/story/news/local/rockland/2014/08/28/clarkstown-police-save-man-heroin-overdose-narcan/14741517/
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/the-lookout/years-later-cop-reunites-suicidal-man-saved-golden-171522199.html
Sadly you'd rather just beat down a profession based on a small minority of officers. I'm fine with criticizing poor police work, I've told you all that before, that I hate bad police work and agree there are people that don't need to be on the job, but you guys are so caught up in your single minded hatred that the small percentage discounts any good we do.
 

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Some departments are run very well and some are very corrupt. Since policing isn't centralized and there are thousands of police departments there are too many dirty police out there confiscating cell phones and intimidating witnesses to cover up their activities.

Whether it's 1% 5% or 10% (and whether you count the cops who turn a blind eye or the administrators who cover things up to protect themselves as troublemakers) it's too many, and it's time local police got more oversight and their encounters with the general public were better documented.
 

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Some departments are run very well and some are very corrupt. Since policing isn't centralized and there are thousands of police departments there are too many dirty police out there confiscating cell phones and intimidating witnesses to cover up their activities.

Whether it's 1% 5% or 10% (and whether you count the cops who turn a blind eye or the administrators who cover things up to protect themselves as troublemakers) it's too many, and it's time local police got more oversight and their encounters with the general public were better documented.
Half the time on here, the concern is about federalized police. Now there's not enough centralized oversight.
 

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Half the time on here, the concern is about federalized police. Now there's not enough centralized oversight.
If we didn't have federal courts ruling on the police we'd have no recourse to have constitutional rights upheld. Personally I'd be fine with centralized oversight on the state level with criminal investigations carried out by DAs from the next county over, but the department of justice would be better than nothing.
 

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59-year-old Georgia man killed in no-knock raid, no drugs found


David Hooks and his wife were in their home on September 24 when she looked out the window and saw men in hoods outside their home. Alarmed, she woke her husband who grabbed his firearm (isn't this the American way?) and you can probably guess what happened next:

"The task force and the SRT members broke down the back door of the family's home and entered, firing an excessive sixteen shots. There is no evidence that David Hooks ever fired a weapon" said Shook.
Why were Georgia law enforcement officers there in the first place?
Please read below the fold to find out.

Because an informant said he found drugs in a vehicle he'd stolen from David Hooks:

Rodney Garrett reportedly told investigators that he took a plastic bag from the pickup, believing that there was money inside,and a set of digital scales.
Then he stole another vehicle from Hooks' home, a Lincoln Aviator SUV, the warrant says. After he drove the SUV to Dublin, Garrett said, he realized that the bag contained meth instead of cash.

Garrett told officers that he "became scared for his safety," and turned himself in to Laurens deputies, the warrant says.

For what it's worth, Hooks immediately called the vehicle in as stolen. And who signed off on the warrant based on that information?
…. at 10 p.m. the same day Laurens deputies got a non-attorney deputy magistrate to sign off on a search warrant, according to Mitchell Shook, the attorney representing the Hooks family.
The raid took place only an hour later. The Hooks' family attorney says the series of events was totally illegal:
“The [deputies] broke down the back door of the family’s home and entered, firing an excessive sixteen shots. There is no evidence that David Hooks ever fired a weapon,” said Shook, who also says the warrant did not have a “no-knock” clause and therefore required law enforcement to identify themselves.
And after 44 hours of searching every inch of the property, Georgia law enforcement didn't find a single thing:
Shook said the GBI did not find any contraband in the 44 hours they held Hooks’ property after the shooting.
Shook said Hooks was a devoted husband and father, not a drug user or distributor. He had passed multiple background checks to work on military bases and was financially stable.

“This is not a person who needs to be involved in criminal activity for financial gain. He did very well financially,” Shook said.

According to StopTheDrugWar.org, David Hooks was the 34th person to die in US domestic drug law enforcement operations so far this year.
See the full statement from attorney Mitch Shook, representing the family of David Hooks:

We buried a great man yesterday. Our loss is devastating to our family and to our community. David was a loving and devoted husband, father, and grandfather who was a role model to his children, grandchildren, and numerous other friends and relatives.
We respect the Georgia Bureau of Investigations continuing their investigation into this tragic death. At the same time, we continue our own investigation. Our investigation is ongoing and we cannot divulge much at this time. We expect it to be a couple of months before the GBI's investigation is complete. However, we want the public to know the true facts of this tragedy are in stark contrast to the media reports released by law enforcement at this time.

First, David Hooks was a successful businessman who owned two thriving businesses. His construction company worked on military bases, including Hunter Army Airfield and Fort Stewart. As such, he was vetted and underwent background checks by state and federal authorities including the Department of Homeland Security and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. Based on those background checks, he was granted a security clearance which allowed him to work on these military bases. He was not a drug user or distributor. Second after taking over the scene at around 11:55 p.m. on the 24th of September the GBI conducted a thorough search of the property that lasted until approximately 8:00 p.m. Friday, September 26th. That search of some 44 hours conducted by numerous agents with the GBI resulted in not one item of contraband being found! This has been confirmed to the family by the GBI and is evidenced by the return of the original search warrant which was finally filed in court on September 29th and indicates that nothing was seized pursuant to the search warrant.

At this point here is what the evidence shows and we must stress that we are very early in the investigation. On Monday, September 22nd or the early morning hours of Tuesday, September 23rd, David and Teresa Hooks home was burglarized and several items were taken from the property including a Lincoln Aviator vehicle. The burglary was committed by Rodney Garrett a meth addict. David Hooks reported the burglary and the Laurens County Sheriff's Department began an investigation into the same. After a brief investigation by the Laurens County Sheriff's Department, a warrant was issued for Garrett's arrest at 3:45 p.m. on September 23rd. Approximately 24 hours later at 3:45 p.m., Rodney Garrett was taken into custody and confessed to the burglary and theft of motor vehicle, as well as other offenses.

On Wednesday, September 24th at 9:56 p.m., drug task force agent Chris Brewer made application for a search warrant before Faith Snell a non-attorney Deputy Magistrate of the Laurens County Magistrate Court. The facts submitted to Deputy Magistrate Snell to convince her that probable cause existed to issue the warrant consisted of the statement by Rodney Garrett a confessed burglar, thief, and a meth addict who was under the influence at the time of his arrest that the approximately 20 grams of methamphetamine, a digital scale, and 2 firearms found on him at the time of arrest had been stolen by him out of another vehicle at the Hooks home. Investigator Brewer also stated information he claimed came from an investigation involving Jeff Frazier. That investigation was in August 2009 over 5 years ago. A search warrant was issued at 9:56 p.m. by Judge Snell. This search warrant is invalid on its face as it does not comport with the requirements of the Constitution of State of Georgia nor the United States Constitution. Armed with an invalid search warrant and with less than an hour of preparation, at approximately 10:55 p.m. several members of the Drug Task Force and the Laurens County Sheriff's Response Team arrived at David and Teresa Hooks home unannounced by emergency lights or sirens. There is no question the Officers were aware the home had been burglarized only two nights earlier.

David and Teresa were under the impression that the burglars were back and that a home invasion was eminent. David armed himself to protect his wife and his home. Despite the fact that the illegal search warrant did not have a "no knock" clause the Drug Task Force and SRT members broke down the back door of the family's home and entered firing in excess of 16 shots. These shots were from multiple firearms and from both 40 caliber handguns and assault rifles. Several shots were fired through a blind wall at David with the shooters not knowing who or what was on the other side of the wall. The trajectory of the shots, coupled with the number of shots infers a clear intent on behalf of the shooters to kill David Hooks.

David was hit multiple times and ultimately died from the gunshot wounds he suffered. There is no evidence whatsoever that David Hooks fired a weapon. I must repeat this happened inside his home. There are other aspects to this case that we are continuing to investigate and search for answers. The family calls upon the District Attorney's office to do its own investigation after receiving the GBI's report regarding this matter and take whatever action the law and justice demands. The family calls on Sheriff W.A. "Bill" Harrell to immediately suspend all the individuals who participated in this tragedy from their law enforcement duties. Said individuals should remain on suspension until such time when the Georgia Bureau of Investigations has completed its investigation in this case, turned its report over to the District Attorney's office, and the District Attorney's office has taken whatever action it deems necessary in the interest of justice.
 

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Of all the police related things, these SWAT raids are the worst. They lead to more tragedies and they are utterly preventable. Every time one of these stupid raids is authorized, the likelihood some trigger happy cop murders an innocent person skyrockets. Why do we do them? So trigger happy irresponsible cops can play Modern Warfare in real life.
 

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I honestly don't know why there is so much national outrage at the decision not to indict Wilson. There's simply not enough evidence to charge the guy. Too many conflicting statements by witnesses. Conflicting autopsy reports. People blinded by their own agenda, seeing what they want to see. Etc.

Our problem as blacks is that we want to have our cake and eat it to.

When we feel that a black gets sent to prison/jail on a trumped up charge and shaky evidence we wail and scream that the system is broke. Yet here we are complaining and tearing shit up just because a white male isn't being indicted over trumped up charges and shaky evidence.

Sorry, people, you can't have it both ways.

I had more of a problem with the Trayvon Martin incident than this one. And every so often George Zimmerman's dumb ass solidifies my stance that he should have been convicted of something. But I digress.

But I don't think Wilson should be indicted based on everything that I've seen in heard.
 

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Damn...this is just a shame and embarrassing on many levels. People certainly have the right to protest, but they burned down small businesses and other chain businesses in protest? I do think it was a mistake to announce this at night, but apparently it was leaking. Regardless, people would have acted like fools no matter what time of day.
 

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I wonder if any of those businesses moved their inventory for the night.

Any excuse to loot and steal I guess.
 

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Thugs being thugs. They just needed an excuse to express their thug life.
 

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Damn...this is just a shame and embarrassing on many levels. People certainly have the right to protest, but they burned down small businesses and other chain businesses in protest? I do think it was a mistake to announce this at night, but apparently it was leaking. Regardless, people would have acted like fools no matter what time of day.
I wondered the same thing about the nighttime announcement but read a comment somewhere yesterday suggesting it was done so people had a chance to get home from work and off the streets before anything went down.

It is an absolute embarrassment. The level of retardation involved in burning down and looting your own damn community in "protest" of something like this is staggering. Those business owners shoot the kid? I can understand setting cop cars on fire or if they would have ransacked the police station/courthouse. That would be extreme for sure, but at least it would make sense in that the cops/courts would be the target. But destroying and robbing businesses that had nothing to do with it at all? Pathetic. Easily predictable, but completely pathetic.
 
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I wondered the same thing about the nighttime announcement but read a comment somewhere yesterday suggesting it was done so people had a chance to get home from work and off the streets before anything went down.

It is an absolute embarrassment. The level of retardation involved in burning down and looting your own damn community in "protest" of something like this is staggering. Those business owners shoot the kid? I can understand setting cop cars on fire or if they would have ransacked the police station/courthouse. That would be extreme for sure, but at least it would make sense in that the cops/courts would be the target. But destroying and robbing businesses that had nothing to do with it at all? Pathetic. Easily predictable, but completely pathetic.
I also heard that they did not want to do it on a Friday so they had at least a day before the weekend to cool off. Otherwise, weekend riots...which may still happen.

BTW...I bet 50-60% of the rioters have no idea what they are actually rioting about. They just know a name and no particulars.
 

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I was struck by the number of young people. They had to be out of towners because that community doesn't have that many. It remind sme of the poor people's march in DC few years back. That crowd of protesters and rioters were predominantly 21 and under. I was there on another matter and witnessed the entire thing personally.
 

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I hope the cops beat their ass if they don't move.
 

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I honestly don't know why there is so much national outrage at the decision not to indict Wilson. There's simply not enough evidence to charge the guy. Too many conflicting statements by witnesses. Conflicting autopsy reports. People blinded by their own agenda, seeing what they want to see. Etc.

Our problem as blacks is that we want to have our cake and eat it to.

When we feel that a black gets sent to prison/jail on a trumped up charge and shaky evidence we wail and scream that the system is broke. Yet here we are complaining and tearing shit up just because a white male isn't being indicted over trumped up charges and shaky evidence.

Sorry, people, you can't have it both ways.

I had more of a problem with the Trayvon Martin incident than this one. And every so often George Zimmerman's dumb ass solidifies my stance that he should have been convicted of something. But I digress.

But I don't think Wilson should be indicted based on everything that I've seen in heard.
I agree with this. I have problems with the way policing is done in this country. I don't think there's enough evidence in this specific case. In the future, cops should be wearing body cameras so there will be evidence of guilt or innocence.
 
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