The Great Police Work Thread

[Clay_Allison]

I think by legal definition, if I wanted to get hit by a bus and someone pushed me out of the way, that's assault as well.

You'd be covered by the Good Samaritan act, but nice try.

 

[Cotton]

I'm not sheltering anyone. The guy was doing nothing wrong. They shoved him and him in handcuffs because they could.

I disagree that he was doing nothing wrong, as stated above.

 

[Cotton]

You'd be covered by the Good Samaritan act, but nice try.

How about a cop that shoved someone away from a potential fight to keep things from escalating? Is that assault?

 

[Clay_Allison]

The point is, cops have to be cops. You can't get around that and you can't perfect the system, but when there is a situation like this where there could be nasty violence, the cops are on high alert and did the right thing separating the instigator from the mob. He was poking them about their position, and was only going to make things worse. They did the right thing. Even though the "victim" got himself detained. Poor guy.

He was exercising freedom of speech in a way you don't agree with. There is literally no law against asking people questions in public. Asking Questions In a Volatile Situation is not a crime in any State.

Cops are there to enforce the laws, not make them up on the fly because "the situation demands it".

 

[Cowboysrock55]

The point is, cops have to be cops. You can't get around that and you can't perfect the system, but when there is a situation like this where there could be nasty violence, the cops are on high alert and did the right thing separating the instigator from the mob. He was poking them about their position, and was only going to make things worse. They did the right thing. Even though the "victim" got himself detained. Poor guy.

Cops can be cops. Cops however can't violate individuals rights in the process however which is what they did there. No point in really talking about it much further though. You've already explained that you would personally be willing to give up some of your rights and freedoms to feel a little safer. I personally disagree. I don't think punishing innocent people out of fear is justifiable.

 

[Clay_Allison]

How about a cop that shoved someone away from a potential fight to keep things from escalating? Is that assault?

Yes. Because a "potential fight" is purely imaginary. Anything can be a "potential fight" so any cop can hit anyone at any time for any "potential" reason. That's ridiculous.

 

[Cotton]

He was exercising freedom of speech in a way you don't agree with. There is literally no law against asking people questions in public. Asking Questions In a Volatile Situation is not a crime in any State.

Cops are there to enforce the laws, not make them up on the fly because "the situation demands it".

Escalating situation. You just don't think cops should have levity to not let that situation get to a boiling point before they do something. I'm perfectly fine with them not letting it get more dangerous.

They didn't arrest him, so I don't see how what they did was "enforcing the law". Maybe they were just keeping people safe. I know you don't feel like cops ever do that, but you are absolutely wrong in that opinion. You just have a bad taste in your mouth about cops.

 

[Cotton]

Cops can be cops. Cops however can't violate individuals rights in the process however which is what they did there. No point in really talking about it much further though. You've already explained that you would personally be willing to give up some of your rights and freedoms to feel a little safer. I personally disagree. I don't think punishing innocent people out of fear is justifiable.

Punishing?

God damn. That is how we disagree, I guess.

 

[Jon88]

And they keep coming....

 

[Cotton]

Yes. Because a "potential fight" is purely imaginary. Anything can be a "potential fight" so any cop can hit anyone at any time for any "potential" reason. That's ridiculous.

There is a huge difference between a "potential fight" and Israeli and Palestinian protesters across the street from each other in a time where they are at mass war with each other. If you can't see the difference, then go about your cop hating ways like you know better.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Escalating situation. You just don't think cops should have levity to not let that situation get to a boiling point before they do something. I'm perfectly fine with them not letting it get more dangerous.

They didn't arrest him, so I don't see how what they did was "enforcing the law". Maybe they were just keeping people safe. I know you don't feel like cops ever do that, but you are absolutely wrong in that opinion. You just have a bad taste in your mouth about cops.

I don't believe cops should be pushing people around and threatening to put them in cuffs when they haven't committed a crime and aren't under any suspicion of committing a crime. He wasn't even close to committing a crime. Cops shouldn't be allowed to walk around being bullies which for some reason you seem to be ok with.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Punishing?

God damn. That is how we disagree, I guess.

Shoving someone around and threatening them is certainly a form of punishment. It's just not severe enough to bother you.

 

[Clay_Allison]

They didn't arrest him, so I don't see how what they did was "enforcing the law".

Then what they were doing was outside of their job description and authority. They are called Law Enforcement for a reason. Their job isn't to exercise blanket authority to order people around just because they want to be in charge of the situation.

 

[Cotton]

I don't believe cops should be pushing people around and threatening to put them in cuffs when they haven't committed a crime and aren't under any suspicion of committing a crime. He wasn't even close to committing a crime. Cops shouldn't be allowed to walk around being bullies which for some reason you seem to be ok with.

I damn sure okay with it when there is a volatile situation. Israel/Palestine is pretty volatile right now. You seem to keep ignoring that fact and reverting to the injustice of it all, instead.

 

[Cotton]

Shoving someone around and threatening them is certainly a form of punishment. It's just not severe enough to bother you.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Remember that when a group of black men are walking around at night ringing doorbells and the police refuse to come because they aren't doing anything wrong.

wut? Also I think that may be racist...

The cops can certainly show up. That's totally different then putting those black men in cuffs and pushing them around physically.

 

[Cotton]

Then what they were doing was outside of their job description and authority. They are called Law Enforcement for a reason. Their job isn't to exercise blanket authority to order people around just because they want to be in charge of the situation.

Yeah, god fucking forbid that they stay in charge of the situation. Good god damn.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I damn sure okay with it when there is a volatile situation. Israel/Palestine is pretty volatile right now. You seem to keep ignoring that fact and reverting to the injustice of it all, instead.

So they should have arrested all of those people on the spot then to prevent a potential riot.

I like freedom of speech. I'm sorry.

 

[Cotton]

wut? Also I think that may be racist...

The cops can certainly show up. That's totally different then putting those black men in cuffs and pushing them around physically.

I bet you would be cool with a cop just letting a person walk down YOUR street ringing doorbells without detaining him and asking him questions.

(here come the lies)

 

[Cotton]

So they should have arrested all of those people on the spot then to prevent a potential riot.

I like freedom of speech. I'm sorry.

Who said anything about arresting. You are severely confusing detaining with arresting.