College Basketball Chatter

[UncleMilti]

I'm ready for some March Madness.

 

[Carp]

Syracuse is just not good offensively. I love Boeheim and their match up zone, but they are so bad on the offesive side I just can't see them being a title factor. Maybe it is a slump.

BTW...Jeremi Grant is Harvey Grant's kid...shit...I'm old as fuck.

 

[Smitty]

Carolina has won 11 straight with unimpressive Notre Dame still to come before a rematch against Dook in Cameron Indoor Stadium.

I say 12 is likely before dropping unlucky 13. That will be a sick hard game to win.

Still.... nice turnaround from where they were. A good showing in the ACC Tourney could get them up to like a 4-5 seed.

 

[UncleMilti]

Duke dipshits lost to Wake

I have never seen such an overrated BB program in my life. Year. After. Year.

 

[Deuce]

4 NCAA titles in 23 years.

@ "overrated year after year"

derp

 

[Jiggyfly]

4 NCAA titles in 23 years.

@ "overrated year after year"

derp

Yeah

 

[Smitty]

Duke has, for the better part of the past decade, been wildly overrated. They got three of those championships between 1991 and 2001, but the 2010 NC was a complete abberation and a product of them facing the easiest road to the the title I've ever seen, personally.

Even giving them credit for that, on a year-in, year-out basis they are always ranked higher than they deserve to be.

 

[Deuce]

Duke has, for the better part of the past decade, been wildly overrated. They got three of those championships between 1991 and 2001, but the 2010 NC was a complete abberation and a product of them facing the easiest road to the the title I've ever seen, personally.

Even giving them credit for that, on a year-in, year-out basis they are always ranked higher than they deserve to be.

I see.

Hey guys, UCLA won a ton of titles in the 70's but the playoff field was half as big as it is now. Too easy. OVERRATED!

 

[Smitty]

I see.

Hey guys, UCLA won a ton of titles in the 70's but the playoff field was half as big as it is now. Too easy. OVERRATED!

If you were to compare them to now? Yes. But that's how it was then, it wasn't an aberration.

Unlike 2010.

 

[Deuce]

If you were to compare them to now? Yes. But that's how it was then, it wasn't an aberration.

Unlike 2010.

Maybe the 2010 abberation is all the teams that lost to the perceived lesser teams are the overrated ones. Not Duke's fault they are the only one's who could beat Butler.

 

[Smitty]

Maybe the 2010 abberation is all the teams that lost to the perceived lesser teams are the overrated ones. Not Duke's fault they are the only one's who could beat Butler.

I think that's my point.... it was the weakest crop of NCAA Tournament participants within memory. Every team sucked.

Coach K is a good coach and he was the difference, he got his team of upperclassmen overachievers to play well at the right time.

My point, though, is that Duke actually was a legit powerhouse during the 1990s through 2001.

Since then, though, Duke's ratings are inflated yearly based on rep. They aren't the 4th best team in the country right now. They never are, which is why for the past ten years (other than the 2010 aberration) they routinely exit the tourney early, which is not what you'd expect from the 4th best team in the country.

Yet they practically live in the top 5-10. They are always ranked there, despite usually not deserving to be there.

They are overrated.

 

[UncleMilti]

4 NCAA titles in 23 years.

@ "overrated year after year"

derp

Right. And Carolina has 4 in 27...big shit.

Duke has 7 losses away from home. Not a good omen when the Tournament isn't played at Cameron.

Bias? Other teams lose to ranked teams, and drop 5-8 spots in the polls. Duke loses to an unranked team...and drops 1 or 2 spots.

Even worse... Feb 3's AP poll. Duke jumped from 17th to 11th, but went 1-1 with a win at #18 PITT and a loss at #2 SYR at the time. Pitt is now UNRANKED, and Syr is #7
Iowa State #16, went 1-1 with a win at home against #23 Oklahoma and a loss at #6 Kansas but remained at #16. #14 Wisconsin lost to NU and Ohio State and fell out of the rankings. #11 Kentucky lost at LSU but won at MIZZ but fell to #18. #12 Louisville lost at home to #13 Cincinnati (who becomes #7) but won at home to UCF and fell to #14. Iowa #15, lost at home #7 MSU and won at Illinois and fell to #17. Since then, Duke has lost against #14 NC, beaten only unranked teams except a badly slumping SYR team...But somehow..and with 7 losses, Duke is #4?


Even better... In the past 13 years they've been in the tournament, they've underperformed for their seed 9 times. (I.E., losing in the first, second, or third round if they were the 2 seed... any round before the FINAL FOUR if Duke was a 1 seed).

Its an annual thing.

OVER. RATED.

 

[Deuce]

Right. And Carolina has 4 in 27...big shit.

Duke has 7 losses away from home. Not a good omen when the Tournament isn't played at Cameron.

Bias? Other teams lose to ranked teams, and drop 5-8 spots in the polls. Duke loses to an unranked team...and drops 1 or 2 spots.

Even worse... Feb 3's AP poll. Duke jumped from 17th to 11th, but went 1-1 with a win at #18 PITT and a loss at #2 SYR at the time. Pitt is now UNRANKED, and Syr is #7
Iowa State #16, went 1-1 with a win at home against #23 Oklahoma and a loss at #6 Kansas but remained at #16. #14 Wisconsin lost to NU and Ohio State and fell out of the rankings. #11 Kentucky lost at LSU but won at MIZZ but fell to #18. #12 Louisville lost at home to #13 Cincinnati (who becomes #7) but won at home to UCF and fell to #14. Iowa #15, lost at home #7 MSU and won at Illinois and fell to #17. Since then, Duke has lost against #14 NC, beaten only unranked teams except a badly slumping SYR team...But somehow..and with 7 losses, Duke is #4?


Even better... In the past 13 years they've been in the tournament, they've underperformed for their seed 9 times. (I.E., losing in the first, second, or third round if they were the 2 seed... any round before the FINAL FOUR if Duke was a 1 seed).

Its an annual thing.

OVER. RATED.

Coach K can't read this rant as the shine from his 4 rings are blinding him.

 

[Carp]

Duke means more to people who hate them than people who like them. They are good every year...that cannot be disputed. BTW...that weak Butler team in 2010 somehow was in the final four in 2011.

 

[Carp]

BTW...props to Beilein...winning the Big 10 this year after losing Burke and Hardaway, plus McGary being hurt, excellent coaching.

 

[Deuce]

Duke means more to people who hate them than people who like them. They are good every year...that cannot be disputed. BTW...that weak Butler team in 2010 somehow was in the final four in 2011.

Not just Final 4, but the title game. And they gave UConn all they could handle that game too. But overrated.

 

[Smitty]

It wasn't just Butler, it was the entire run.

But that's neither here nor there. Oh look, Duke is ranked #4. With 7 losses.

Surrounded by teams with 2, 3, and 4 losses.

Somehow they are right at the top though.

#overrated

Carolina, who has beaten Duke, as well as Michigan State, Kentucky, and Louisville, has an identical record and sits at 14.

Which is where Duke should be if they weren't overrated every single year. Even with their inflated tournament seeds, they usually bow out by the sweet 16, so it's not all bad. We get a lot of laughs.

 

[Carp]

It is not really about Duke, it is about how UNC is not getting the love you think they deserve. When you don't mention any team but UNC, you just come off as a bitter homer bitch.

 

[Deuce]

It wasn't just Butler, it was the entire run.

But that's neither here nor there. Oh look, Duke is ranked #4. With 7 losses.

Surrounded by teams with 2, 3, and 4 losses.

Somehow they are right at the top though.

#overrated

Carolina, who has beaten Duke, as well as Michigan State, Kentucky, and Louisville, has an identical record and sits at 14.

Which is where Duke should be if they weren't overrated every single year. Even with their inflated tournament seeds, they usually bow out by the sweet 16, so it's not all bad. We get a lot of laughs.

You get lots of laughs, except the years they win it all and then you complain that their path to greatness was too easy.

 

[Smitty]

It is not really about Duke, it is about how UNC is not getting the love you think they deserve.

No doubt my hate for Duke is stoked by being a Carolina fan, but I think Carolina is right about where they need to be.

Duke should be down in the teens with them, is all. At least lower than Kansas at 8.