2025 Draft Chatter Thread

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It does have to do with his Dad. It has to do with thebshitshow he brings, the way he managed the process and the entitled stuff he pumped into his sons head. I agree that Sanders physical skills are good enough to have been a second or third round pick. But no one wants to hitch their wagon to the shit show of Sanders when his son isn't ready to actually play NFL QB.
 

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Al the groaning and growling really doesn’t matter about who was drafted and who wasn’t. The same situation still exists with the Cowboys roster. Prescott is still the starting QB. Never mind he was injured (and maybe still is) but there was never any move to solve that problem and go for a replacement now while there was some good choices . Yeah I know they are hamstrung due to his strangle hold on the Cowboys budget but things are just tabled for another year as long as Dak has the strangle hold on the franchise.
So you think we should have drafted one of these QBs?

Now that's an interesting take. I do like Kyle McCord on day three. But passing on these QBs is far from a mistake. It's a bad QB class.
 

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I think it's pretty simple on Sanders: he isn't actually that good -- just read the McGinn type anonymous quotes on him -- and nobody wants him for a backup because they know he'll have such an entitled, toxic attitude if he doesn't get to play immediately.

We all know backup QB is a little different from most positions in that you're expected to have a good attitude and help the starting QB prepare. And who thinks he'd do that without starting a major media controversy?
 

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I think it's pretty simple on Sanders: he isn't actually that good -- just read the McGinn type anonymous quotes on him -- and nobody wants him for a backup because they know he'll have such an entitled, toxic attitude if he doesn't get to play immediately.

We all know backup QB is a little different from most positions in that you're expected to have a good attitude and help the starting QB prepare. And who thinks he'd do that without starting a major media controversy?
Yep, the dude isn't a day one starter and may never be. And no one wants the circus of trying to train this kid for 2 years with his dad on the sideline bitching.

I can't blame them, NFL teams can see the disaster coming.
 

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Every year, people claim to want to draft BPA. Don't draft for need. And while that is arguable with Booker, it really isn't with EZ and Revel.

And while our needs are more glaring at RB and WR, the guys taken also filled needs.
 

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I mean corner was a pretty big need. I don't know that Diggs will be ready for the season. We lost Lewis. We are basically using Carson and a first round bust. So if Revel is good to go for camp that fills a big need.

RG was kind of a need. DE end too. We had plenty of options at those positions. But not sure any of them would be probowl caliber talents. Hopefully we got a dude with double digit sacks potential and a dominant run blocking guard. Those were small needs but hopefully we got guys who can be great instead of meh starters.

RB is scary thin, WR is scary thin, DT is scary thin. Those were and still are major needs. I feel OK at RB still if these retards do their job. I feel like we could still get a damn good DT.

WR by the time we get there we are just throwing darts like we have with the other 4 or 5 receivers already on the roster not named Lamb. I'd still probably throw a dart but who the fuck knows. Odds aren't great.

Exactly.

Parcells used to talk about a hierarchy of needs, and that there were 3. Something like, Gotta Have, Would Like to Have, and something else. Let's say Tier 1, 2, and 3.

I'd have put WR, RB, and CB in Tier 1. Gotta have.

I'd put DT in Tier 2 (but wouldn't quibble if it was in Tier 1), and I'd put pass rusher in this tier as well.

Guard is firmly in Tier 3. If it's a "need" at all, it's marginal.

How much different would this draft look if we took a WR at 12, say Golden or Egbuka? We'd really only need a RB (which we could still bag a good one), and a DT.

Taking Booker at 12 was such a massive mistake. This team would have been much, much better off with one of the WRs.
 

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I think it's pretty simple on Sanders: he isn't actually that good -- just read the McGinn type anonymous quotes on him -- and nobody wants him for a backup because they know he'll have such an entitled, toxic attitude if he doesn't get to play immediately.

We all know backup QB is a little different from most positions in that you're expected to have a good attitude and help the starting QB prepare. And who thinks he'd do that without starting a major media controversy?
Those comments about his poor interviews are doing this. It couldn’t have anything to do with him. And stuff.
 

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Taking Booker at 12 was such a massive mistake. This team would have been much, much better off with one of the WRs.
Yep or at least have executed a trade down before taking Booker. So that maybe you would have had an extra second or third. And I get that you can't always find a trade down worth doing (Although we had an offer of some sort). You just can't afford to continually burn all your resources at lower value positions and essentially ignore certain positions. And for those that scream BPA, Booker just shouldn't have been BPA at 12. And obviously it was close in value to at least one other guy who they very much debated over. They took Booker because they love the person.
 

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I wasn't a huge fan of going OG at 12, but the guy is probably going to be an above average starter for us for 7, 8 years.

With all the DE's we had go down last year getting great value on round 2 is a win.

Same at CB. We were rolling out guys who had no business being on the filed last year so I get it.

I think we move up for a RB in the 4th and snag another one later or in UDFA who will make the team. And throw picks at some big DT's.

Worried about WR for sure. Only hope is a trade before week 1 I'm afraid.

I just hope their thought process wasn't Zack retired get an guard. Lawrence left get a DE. Lewis left get a CB. I mean we did need to replace those guys, but we have bigger needs. But I guess it's better not to reach for a need and take BPA. Don't think they did I'm round 1, but for sure did in rounds 2 and 3.
 

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What a dickhead. It's one thing to make a mistake, but he loves doubling down on his mistakes, relying on and praising them even when it's obvious that it was a mistake and the player can't play.

They learn nothing.
According to him they are "Still getting to know him"

The dude was with your team for half a fucking season. You should have a pretty damn good idea by now that you made a mistake.

And they keep talking about #2 receiver but we don't have a #3 receiver either. But I know these guys have penciled Turpin in for that based on the contract they gave him. Which is ludacris too considering his best NFL season ever is 420 receiving yards. Like modern NFL offenses actually use 3 receivers.

Fuck it, I hope we draft Thornton and claim he is Alvin Harper 2.0.
 

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Why hasn’t Shedeur Sanders been drafted yet? It’s complicated

By Jeff Howe


Shedeur Sanders’ fall from the first round was about a simple evaluation.

The quarterback’s plummet this far, though? That’s a whole lot more complicated.

The former Colorado star, who was once viewed as a candidate to become the top QB in the NFL Draft class, remains without a team Saturday as the fourth round opens. Five quarterbacks have already been selected, including three on Friday: Louisville’s Tyler Shough (No. 40 to the New Orleans Saints), Alabama’s Jalen Milroe (No. 92 to the Seattle Seahawks) and Oregon’s Dillon Gabriel (No. 94 to the Cleveland Browns).

Depending on who you asked around the NFL, Sanders’ roller-coaster draft weekend has ranged from wholly predictable to fairly shocking. Some teams, pointedly, didn’t like Sanders as a prospect. Others weighed heavily the off-field distractions that could stunt his development in the league.

And at this point, with that debate still raging, Sanders’ extended availability has already gone down as one of the biggest draft dramas in recent memory.

Let’s assess the reasons he’s still on the board.

The backup dilemma
Sanders is an imperfect prospect on the field. He throws a great deep ball, but league evaluators have described his accuracy and arm strength as good but not great. His shorter throws tend to come out wobbly, something that presented itself during his pro day, and that’s a concern for teams that run a lot of quick timing routes. He’s also not much of a running threat.


But those are primarily the reasons Sanders wasn’t a first-rounder. His free fall through Rounds 2 and 3 has invited a more nuanced discourse.

In the NFL, the backup quarterback is typically the most popular guy in town. Fans love the backups and clamor for them when things aren’t going well with the starter. Quite frankly, while many teams absolutely place a priority on the backup quarterback position, it’s usually better when the player is more anonymous than not. The face of the franchise is, well, supposed to be the face of the franchise.

Sanders, the son of Pro Football Hall of Famer and Colorado head coach Deion Sanders, will have more name recognition than a chunk of the league’s current starters. He’ll also walk into an NFL facility with the unbridled support of a segment of his team’s fan base, no questions asked.

Sure, several teams can holster a backup of Sanders’ stature with minimal distractions — the Kansas City Chiefs, Buffalo Bills, Baltimore Ravens and Cincinnati Bengals top the list — but there are far more that can’t.

The teams with more tepid QB situations will deal with a constant barrage of questions. Every loss and every interception will invite questions about the backup quarterback. Remember, former New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick was asked in 2014 if it was time to bench Tom Brady for Jimmy Garoppolo. If Brady wasn’t immune then, who would be now?

These might sound like excuses, but they’re actual factors in the decision-making process. Maybe the starting quarterback is mentally strong enough to handle that pressure, but what about the rest of the locker room? What about the coach and the general manager?

A barrage of quarterback questions can be the fastest way to put an organization on tilt.

By now, it’s become abundantly clear Sanders won’t join a team with a legitimate chance to be the starter. And many teams have declared, 102 picks into this draft, they aren’t comfortable drafting a backup who will invite all those questions.

Off the field
Teams are competitive with one another, but that doesn’t mean they don’t talk.

Sanders interviewed well in some places during the pre-draft process, but he interviewed very poorly with others. Why the disconnect? Teams are concerned about that.

He didn’t do himself any favors by sitting out practice at the East-West Shrine Bowl. There are other things that teams have nitpicked about him off the field that may not sound like a big deal in a vacuum but add up when it comes down to projecting his ability to lead other professionals in a locker room.


There’s also the question over his learning curve. Colorado ran a fairly simple offense, and it’s fair to wonder how long it will take Sanders to adapt to an NFL system. Of course, these questions come up annually with all QB prospects, so it’s nothing new with Sanders. But as they examine whether football or the Sanders brand carries more weight, they wonder if he’ll reach his potential on the field.

Limited market
The Tennessee Titans drafted Cam Ward to be their franchise quarterback with the No. 1 pick. The New York Giants selected Jaxson Dart at No. 25 to compete for the job eventually. The Saints wanted Shough at No. 40 as insurance for Derek Carr.

Aside from them, who was realistically looking for a starting QB? The Pittsburgh Steelers are still awaiting word from Aaron Rodgers. The Browns have all but declared they’re in a bridge year with Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco. The Indianapolis Colts might be in no-man’s land with Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones, but they weren’t going to create a three-headed monster with an early QB pick.

Everyone else has their starter written in pen or a pretty heavy pencil.

Every team evaluates the quarterback class to a certain extent. The scouting departments do their work throughout the season and the pre-draft process, but it’s ultimately up to the general manager and head coach to determine how seriously they should consider a QB. If a team is set at the position, whether that team is considering the future of its starter or backup, the GM and head coach usually won’t invest their limited resources if it’s not necessary.

Sanders is available to everyone, but that doesn’t mean everyone has devoted hundreds of hours to Sanders. They’ve moved on to other prospects. They understand the criticisms, and they probably aren’t changing their minds this late in the process.

So, what’s next?
As a general rule, fourth-round picks are expected to make the team out of training camp. Fifth-rounders open the offseason on the inside of the bubble. The rest have to earn it.

Most fourth-rounders will earn a signing bonus in the neighborhood of $1 million. That’s cut in half in the fifth round. Seventh-rounders will typically earn at least $100,000, plus their base salaries if they make the team out of camp.


The financial element is a factor. If teams want Sanders to earn his spot, they could be inclined to use money as a motivator, especially since they’ve already waited this long.

So could he go undrafted? It’s wild to think that’s even a consideration, but it’s impossible to rule out any outcome at this point.

From what we can tell at The Athletic, teams have not taken Sanders off of their draft boards, so he should theoretically be called Saturday.

But that he’s waited this long to hear his name, it’s clear teams have a lot to think about as they assess a potential future with Sanders.
 

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I wasn't a huge fan of going OG at 12, but the guy is probably going to be an above average starter for us for 7, 8 years.

With all the DE's we had go down last year getting great value on round 2 is a win.

Same at CB. We were rolling out guys who had no business being on the filed last year so I get it.

I think we move up for a RB in the 4th and snag another one later or in UDFA who will make the team. And throw picks at some big DT's.

Worried about WR for sure. Only hope is a trade before week 1 I'm afraid.

I just hope their thought process wasn't Zack retired get an guard. Lawrence left get a DE. Lewis left get a CB. I mean we did need to replace those guys, but we have bigger needs. But I guess it's better not to reach for a need and take BPA. Don't think they did I'm round 1, but for sure did in rounds 2 and 3.
I get the thinking that there are some legitimate nightmares at DT in the division that have to be dealt with multiple times per year. Do we really want Hoffman or Bass going up against the likes of Lawrence and Carter twice per year.

Supposedly Booker was the second OL on the entire board. I remember when people were wringing hands over the FredBeard pick. These guys are on point when it comes to interior OL so I'm not too upset.
 

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Have y'all seen the private draft room that Shadeur had built for himself?
 
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