2024 Random Cowboys Stuff Thread

[Simpleton]

Be careful what you wish for because it could/probably be a lot worse. I was ok moving on from Mike when Belichik was available. Now im not so sure. I know he is going to at least interview Moore and that scares the hell out of me.

I'm not totally there but I get it, primarily because I know that Moore is a very good possibility if we move on from McCarthy.

I'd rather roll the dice on Glenn or Vrabel, but ultimately if it comes down to Moore vs. McCarthy I'm taking McCarthy every time.

 

[shoop]

Depending on what position you think Zach Allen plays Osa is either leading the league or 2nd in the league in QB hits amongst DT's.

Gonna be really cool when these broke bitches let him leave because they don't want to cough up a 4/70 contract just so they can keep broke ass Steele on the roster.

And he goes to the Steelers or 49ers and remains playing at a high level.

 

[UncleMilti]

True, but we're also pulling this off with no QB, an average RB, one legitimate passing threat, and injuries all over the roster.

I'm very impressed by McCarthy's ability to both compete and also keep the locker room together in what has been a lost season since early October.

He's earned the right to return. I just hope that he uses all the leverage that he has to convince the organization to change some things if they want him to return.

I still think his offensive scheme sucks without a gunslinger like Rodgers to run point and he needs a very good ground game too which he hasn’t really had and probably won’t have it with the Jones tards in charge.

 

[NoDak]

I still think his offensive scheme sucks without a gunslinger like Rodgers to run point and he needs a very good ground game too which he hasn’t really had and probably won’t have anything with the Jones tards in charge.

• 2020: 14th in yards, 17th in points
• 2021: 1st in yards, 1st in points
• 2022: 11th in yards, 4th in points
• 2023: 5th in yards, 1st in points
• 2024: 21st in yards, 23rd in points

First year here and this year with no help and a ton of injuries in a dumpster fire year. Understandably avg or below. But those middle three look pretty good for an offensive scheme that sucks.

 

[UncleMilti]

• 2020: 14th in yards, 17th in points
• 2021: 1st in yards, 1st in points
• 2022: 11th in yards, 4th in points
• 2023: 5th in yards, 1st in points
• 2024: 21st in yards, 23rd in points

First year here and this year with no help and a ton of injuries in a dumpster fire year. Understandably avg or below. But those middle three look pretty good for an offensive scheme that sucks.

Stats are nice until you look at the playoff and big game meltdowns.

 

[UncleMilti]

Kinda like the games we got dirt stomped and Dak adds 300 yards passing after the game is long over. Reading the stat line gets you all giddy until you find out they lost and the game was over in the 3rd quarter or like with the Packers, over before halftime. McCarthy has been shut down far too easily in big games, and while a lot of that is on Dak, McCarthy has seemed to be very slow to react, or not react at all to games where he’s getting shut down.

 

[NoDak]

Yes. That's the only reason we lost in the playoffs.

Sure.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Yes. That's the only reason we lost in the playoffs.

Sure.

It's amazing what a ground game can do for this offense. I think McCarthy gets lazy with the run game dedication. Come playoff time it's really important. But our run defense has also been shit and a real problem come playoff time. I don't love Zimmer's scheme but these bums definitely seem to have gotten a lot better no matter who is out there playing.

I certainly won't be upset if McCarthy comes back. I still think he is a really good coach.

 

[NoDak]

It's amazing what a ground game can do for this offense. I think McCarthy gets lazy with the run game dedication. Come playoff time it's really important. But our run defense has also been shit and a real problem come playoff time. I don't love Zimmer's scheme but these bums definitely seem to have gotten a lot better no matter who is out there playing.

I certainly won't be upset if McCarthy comes back. I still think he is a really good coach.

Amazing what a ground game can do for any offense. But other than that, I agree with you. But if we're being honest, McCarthy hasn't had much to work with at the RB position. His first few years he had a quickly declining Zeke, then Tony Pollard, then Dowdle/Zeke. Not much to be proud of. Yet, in those years we were at the top of the league in scoring. So was it our meh RBs leading the way? Maybe it was that super shitty quarterback people love to hate. Which when you factor both of those in, it makes it even MORE unbelievable we could have been scoring like we were with a such a sucky offensive scheme.

Have we had our problems in the playoffs? Absolutely. But to just claim the offensive scheme sucks and leave it at that is myopic at best, straight up retarded at worst. It's not like we were just wracking up yards in garbage time. We also were FIRST in scoring 2 of 3 years and 4th in the other. Pretty fucking hard to do if your scheme sucks.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Have we had our problems in the playoffs? Absolutely. But to just claim the offensive scheme sucks and leave it at that is myopic at best, straight up retarded at worst. It's not like we were just wracking up yards in garbage time. We also were FIRST in scoring 2 of 3 years and 4th in the other. Pretty fucking hard to do if your scheme sucks.

"Scheme" at this level is overrated anyway. Everyone copies each other and there's not that much difference anymore. Too many people these days get hung up on Twitter expert trends like "more motion is always better" when in reality the good coaches have their reasons for using that (or other fads) or not.

That's assuming the coach is a top-quarter or so coach and not some fraud like a Jason Garrett.

 

[Rev]

"Scheme" at this level is overrated anyway. Everyone copies each other and there's not that much difference anymore. Too many people these days get hung up on Twitter expert trends like "more motion is always better" when in reality the good coaches have their reasons for using that (or other fads) or not.

That's assuming the coach is a top-quarter or so coach and not some fraud like a Jason Garrett.

or lucky enough to have a Chuma at LT.

 

[Foobio]

 

[UncleMilti]

Amazing what a ground game can do for any offense. But other than that, I agree with you. But if we're being honest, McCarthy hasn't had much to work with at the RB position. His first few years he had a quickly declining Zeke, then Tony Pollard, then Dowdle/Zeke. Not much to be proud of. Yet, in those years we were at the top of the league in scoring. So was it our meh RBs leading the way? Maybe it was that super shitty quarterback people love to hate. Which when you factor both of those in, it makes it even MORE unbelievable we could have been scoring like we were with a such a sucky offensive scheme.

Have we had our problems in the playoffs? Absolutely. But to just claim the offensive scheme sucks and leave it at that is myopic at best, straight up retarded at worst. It's not like we were just wracking up yards in garbage time. We also were FIRST in scoring 2 of 3 years and 4th in the other. Pretty fucking hard to do if your scheme sucks.

Keep running those comeback and stop routes Mike….someday…SOMEDAY….maybe they will work. I mean they didn’t work for Garrett, they didn’t work for Beavertooth, but by God they might work for you!!

And Mike clearly tells everyone he has a lot of sway in the players they pick and draft. If that’s true, he deserves to go just because of that reason alone. That means he was ok with the shitty players you just claimed he was “stuck with”.

 

[UncleMilti]

"Scheme" at this level is overrated anyway. Everyone copies each other and there's not that much difference anymore. Too many people these days get hung up on Twitter expert trends like "more motion is always better" when in reality the good coaches have their reasons for using that (or other fads) or not.

That's assuming the coach is a top-quarter or so coach and not some fraud like a Jason Garrett.

So you are saying there’s little difference in Ben Johnson and Mike McCarthy?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Keep running those comeback and stop routes Mike….someday…SOMEDAY….maybe they will work. I mean they didn’t work for Garrett, they didn’t work for Beavertooth, but by God they might work for you!!

Think of how much less we've run those since Rush took over, though. Think of the slants and crossing patterns to CeeDee. Way more crossing patterns than before.

That's why my theory on that is still that either that's what they think Dak is best at or, more likely, that's what Dak is more comfortable with and wants.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

So you are saying there’s little difference in Ben Johnson and Mike McCarthy?

Change out the personnel and I doubt there'd that much difference. Look how loaded the Lions are.

The biggest thing Ben has going for him is that he got Goff's head back on straight and to an even higher level than McVay.

And who knows, maybe he's the next truly difference-making head coach. That's possible. But odds are he's not.

 

[UncleMilti]

Think of how much less we've run those since Rush took over, though. Think of the slants and crossing patterns to CeeDee. Way more crossing patterns than before.

That's why my theory on that is still that either that's what they think Dak is best at or, more likely, that's what Dak is more comfortable with and wants.

Look…I’m totally on the Dak sucks train, but I don’t believe that he can’t throw the same routes Rush is throwing.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Look…I’m totally on the Dak sucks train, but I don’t believe that he can’t throw the same routes Rush is throwing.

I actually agree with that, which is why the only logical conclusion I can come up with is that it's mostly Dak's call. Any "franchise", highest-paid QB in the league is going to have tremendous say in what they do on offense. They don't just take orders like some high school or college QB.

But I think it's pretty obvious there is a difference in the plays they're running.

 

[UncleMilti]

I actually agree with that, which is why the only logical conclusion I can come up with is that it's mostly Dak's call. Any "franchise", highest-paid QB in the league is going to have tremendous say in what they do on offense. They don't just take orders like some high school or college QB.

But I think it's pretty obvious there is a difference in the plays they're running.

There were quite a few of the comeback and stop routes against the Panthers Sunday, but I’m not sure if it’s less or more of what we see on TV. I’d love to see the All 22 of Dak vs Rush throws and routes for each of the receivers.

 

[boozeman]

Yeah they already suck. Goof Son has already set the stage for the no cap space bullshit. Parsons will be the shoe waiting to drop that holds up any progress for anyone else (bye Odighizuwa) and so on.