2024 POTUS Thread...

[Plan9Misfit]

I was wondering the same thing.

Has so much time gone by where people have forgotten who HW was and what he accomplished in his life? The differences between HW and Trump are as clear as day.

 

[bbgun]

Trump will deny two women the White House. Misogynist!

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Has so much time gone by where people have forgotten who HW was and what he accomplished in his life? The differences between HW and Trump are as clear as day.

Should Jimmy Carter get credit for what he did as a president because he was a nice, honorable man? No. He was there to do a job and he sucked at it.

 

[Plan9Misfit]

Should Jimmy Carter get credit for what he did as a president because he was a nice, honorable man? No. He was there to do a job and he sucked at it.

Integrity matters, whether you choose to admit it or not. Again, there’s a reason why I supported Perot in 1992 and not HW, but the character of a man is more important than almost anything. Denying that is just cognitive dissonance.

 

[Plan9Misfit]

Trump will deny two women the White House. Misogynist!

Are we even sure they’re women?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Integrity matters, whether you choose to admit it or not. Again, there’s a reason why I supported Perot in 1992 and not HW, but the character of a man is more important than almost anything. Denying that is just cognitive dissonance.

No cognitive dissonance at all.

When you have your brain surgery, you can have my mom do it. She's as high-character and honorable a person as you'd ever meet. Too bad she knows nothing about brain surgery.

I'll have the best brain surgeon in town do mine, even if he cheats at cards and on his wife. Call me crazy.

 

[NoDak]

Two people who can't stand either candidate.

What a surprise.

Not really a surprise at all. If you'd open your eyes, you'd see there are quite a few people here that wish we had other candidates to choose from.

The big difference is, those people don't incessantly piss and moan about it.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

No cognitive dissonance at all.

When you have your brain surgery, you can have my mom do it. She's as high-character and honorable a person as you'd ever meet. Too bad she knows nothing about brain surgery.

I'll have the best brain surgeon in town do mine, even if he cheats at cards and on his wife. Call me crazy.

We elected a buffoon who convinced enough people with smoke & mirrors that he was an excellent businessman, when nothing could be farther from the truth. Fact is Trump took over an economy that was already on the upswing and turbocharged it by cutting regulations, all for the sake of short-term benefit. It was bound to crash whether COVID hit or not, the pandemic just hastened it.

There's a reason why 90% of the people he had with him in his cabinet want nothing to do with him this time.

That said, we're fucked either way, with him or Harris.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

Not really a surprise at all. If you'd open your eyes, you'd see there are quite a few people here that wish we had other candidates to choose from.

The big difference is, those people don't incessantly piss and moan about it.

Really? Most of the "pissing and moaning" in this thread is about Biden/Harris, and deservedly so. You just mistake me giving coyote-head equal time, which he also deserves, as me stumping for them.

 

[Plan9Misfit]

We elected a buffoon who convinced enough people with smoke & mirrors that he was an excellent businessman, when nothing could be farther from the truth. Fact is Trump took over an economy that was already on the upswing and turbocharged it by cutting regulations, all for the sake of short-term benefit. It was bound to crash whether COVID hit or not, the pandemic just hastened it.

There's a reason why 90% of the people he had with him in his cabinet want nothing to do with him this time.

That said, we're fucked either way, with him or Harris.

Cutting regulations was one of the few things that Trump did that I wholeheartedly supported. It was the right thing to do. His tax plan, on the other hand, can eat a bowl of dicks.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

I agreed that there were some ridiculous regs that needed to go... but he just let loose on just about everything under the sun.

 

[Plan9Misfit]

No cognitive dissonance at all.

When you have your brain surgery, you can have my mom do it. She's as high-character and honorable a person as you'd ever meet. Too bad she knows nothing about brain surgery.

I'll have the best brain surgeon in town do mine, even if he cheats at cards and on his wife. Call me crazy.

You make it seem like HW knew nothing about an economy. Re-read your history books. He didn't raise taxes because he wanted to. He did it because he had to. The impacts of Reaganomics were on the cusp of causing a third recession in 10 years, which would've been unprecedented. The Savings and Loans industry had already collapsed, and Reagan's drunken sailor spending was appearing to start causing inflation. Raising taxes was one of the few things that anyone could have done to slow the economy down, stop inflation, and prevent a recession since the Fed wasn't raising interest rates. It sucked, because he went against his core campaign platform of no new taxes, but it also helped jumpstart the tech boom that Bill Clinton got all the credit for.

 

[boozeman]

 

[boozeman]

 

[bbgun]

Don't worry. They'll do a complete 180 now that she's the anointed one, focusing heavily on her gender and race.

 

[Plan9Misfit]

She's the least likeable and the least accomplished. So, there's that.

 

[Plan9Misfit]

Don't worry. They'll do a complete 180 now that she's the anointed one, focusing heavily on her gender and race.

I can hardly wait to hear the spin that the Democrats will use to "support" her.

 

[bbgun]

She's the least likeable and the least accomplished. So, there's that.

Trump is unlikable too (duh), but unlike Kamala, he has executive experience and residual sympathy from the shooting.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

You make it seem like HW knew nothing about an economy. Re-read your history books. He didn't raise taxes because he wanted to. He did it because he had to. The impacts of Reaganomics were on the cusp of causing a third recession in 10 years, which would've been unprecedented. The Savings and Loans industry had already collapsed, and Reagan's drunken sailor spending was appearing to start causing inflation. Raising taxes was one of the few things that anyone could have done to slow the economy down, stop inflation, and prevent a recession since the Fed wasn't raising interest rates. It sucked, because he went against his core campaign platform of no new taxes, but it also helped jumpstart the tech boom that Bill Clinton got all the credit for.

I don't even care about Bush raising marginal rates on high incomes 3% or whatever. My complaint with him is he took us on a path after the USSR fell to embracing China and the globalist themes we still see today. The CCP should have been crushed then and there with Russia out of the way, but instead we started down this path of moving jobs and manufacturing to wherever is the cheapest, even if that means it's done by the most immoral countries who literally employ slave labor. And then there's his embrace of the UN deciding as much as possible, which if it were up to them would be everything even at the expense of US sovereignty.

And your Reaganomics points are way off base. He wasn't causing recessions. His first one was Carter's doing and Volcker having to raise interest rates to 20% to stop inflation. I was a kid but I'm old enough to remember my dad, as a small businessman, being crushed by Carter's incompetence and how much better things were under Reagan. Reagan, as any president, doesn't control the Fed. You know that. You talk about history, well, don't get your economics history from Paul Krugman.

Finally, the biggest reason Reagan's budgets were so big was his military buildup to beat the Commies, which he did. Sometimes you have to spend more now to profit later. Which is exactly what happened. We were much better off in the long run spending them into the ground than fighting them for a couple more decades (at least). Bush I and Clinton benefitted from that peace.

 

[Plan9Misfit]

I don't even care about Bush raising marginal rates on high incomes 3% or whatever. My complaint with him is he took us on a path after the USSR fell to embracing China and the globalist themes we still see today. The CCP should have been crushed then and there with Russia out of the way, but instead we started down this path of moving jobs and manufacturing to wherever is the cheapest, even if that means it's done by the most immoral countries who literally employ slave labor. And then there's his embrace of the UN deciding as much as possible, which if it were up to them would be everything even at the expense of US sovereignty.

And your Reaganomics points are way off base. He wasn't causing recessions. His first one was Carter's doing and Volcker having to raise interest rates to 20% to stop inflation. I was a kid but I'm old enough to remember my dad, as a small businessman, being crushed by Carter's incompetence and how much better things were under Reagan. Reagan, as any president, doesn't control the Fed. You know that. You talk about history, well, don't get your economics history from Paul Krugman.

Finally, the biggest reason Reagan's budgets were so big was his military buildup to beat the Commies, which he did. Sometimes you have to spend more now to profit later. Which is exactly what happened. We were much better off in the long run spending them into the ground than fighting them for a couple more decades (at least). Bush I and Clinton benefitted from that peace.

The USSR should have been "crushed" under Reagan, not Bush. He spent a shit ton of money and didn't get enough out of it. The USSR collapsed and the Cold War ended (which Reagan should be commended for ending), but then it only gave rise to dictators. The US can't control that, so the spending didn't accomplish very much.

Reagan's massive spending also hurt the economy, because supply side economics is a bad policy, and that's been proven for decades. Yes, the Fed raising interest rates in 1982 was terrible, but that had nothing to do with the recession in 1986 which was the result of Reagan's policies and deregulation of the S&Ls, which caused a banking collapse. Again, the volume of spending under Reagan put HW in a bad economic position. The Government can't spend that much money and not expect inflation and/or a downturn.

It's amazing that Government expansion and irresponsible spending is acceptable when "their guy" does it, but not when the "other guy" does it. It's fucking wrong no matter who does it.

And, thank you for recognizing that the decisions of a previous administration can impact those of the following. That's because fiscal and monetary policy - good or bad - take years for the effects to be felt.