Prospects Dallas Has Shown Interest In - 2023

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Cowboysrock55 said:
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Hyatt I'm great with.

Simpson thanks but no thinks. I want nothing to do with him.
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We can do better than Hyatt in the first, if we're gonna reach a bit I'd rather reach on someone like Avila who seemingly might be a starter day 1.
 
Simpleton said:
We can do better than Hyatt in the first, if we're gonna reach a bit I'd rather reach on someone like Avila who seemingly might be a starter day 1.
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I've always been a Hyatt fan. Long arms, insane deep speed, nice height. I think he is potentially a real impact receiver.

I like Avila too. But I feel better about Mafi in the third than I do about Rice in the third for example. Good interior lineman are just easier to find later.
 
Simpleton said:
We can do better than Hyatt in the first, if we're gonna reach a bit I'd rather reach on someone like Avila who seemingly might be a starter day 1.
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I agree.

Hyatt unfortunately is like a lot of speed guys, you don't know if they can be more than a run fast guy in a league where everyone is as fast.

I judge a lot about guys like him in how they fared against the best. Or worst.

He made his name when he whipped the shit out of poor DeMarrco Hallams and made him his prison bitch.
 
As far as TE goes, unless we are gambling on greatness with Washington with a trade down or slight reach at 26, I am not in favor of either Kincaid or Musgrave.

I would rather get another guy later. Ferguson, Hendershot and another specialized solid guy would be the best.

We don't need the TE to be a premium position like it has been since Witten to Schultz.

No more celebrity TEs.

Option #1 for me on Day 3 is this guy.

 
boozeman said:
I agree.

Hyatt unfortunately is like a lot of speed guys, you don't know if they can be more than a run fast guy in a league where everyone is as fast.

I judge a lot about guys like him in how they fared against the best. Or worst.

He made his name when he whipped the shit out of poor DeMarrco Hallams and made him his prison bitch.
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Unlike a lot of speed guys he was crazy productive. Albeit for just one season. But his game against Alabama wasn't his only game. He caught a lot of balls all season long.
 
boozeman said:
As far as TE goes, unless we are gambling on greatness with Washington with a trade down or slight reach at 26, I am not in favor of either Kincaid or Musgrave.

I would rather get another guy later. Ferguson, Hendershot and another specialized solid guy would be the best.

We don't need the TE to be a premium position like it has been since Witten to Schultz.

No more celebrity TEs.

Option #1 for me on Day 3 is this guy.

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I generally agree but I think Kincaid is just as much a gamble on greatness, if his game translates to the NFL you're going to have a Kelce-lite. The health stuff is obviously an unknown and the back stuff is concerning from the sounds of it, but if he's healthy that's a worthwhile gamble.

Musgrave is a hard no.
 
Simpleton said:
I generally agree but I think Kincaid is just as much a gamble on greatness, if his game translates to the NFL you're going to have a Kelce-lite.
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Utah used him like a WR. When you watch a TE you usually expect to see him doing some inline stuff next to the OT. Not at all with Kincaid. I'm curious to see how he translates to the NFL. He does have excellent ball skills and hand eye coordination. Looks like a big WR for the most part. His separation skills were still only average to me but his YAC ability is something guys like Witten only ever dreamed of.

You'll see a lot of highlights of Kincaid making great contested catches but part of that was he didn't really have much separation. Kind of normal for a TE, they aren't usually out there juking guys out of their shoes or burning safeties. But still it's why I would have like to see his testing numbers. But with a back injury preventing that it just sort of gives me too much of a red flag to consider in the first.

I will say though, you can see some Travis Kelce like qualities so I get some of the hype. I'm sure he would do some nice things here if Dallas drafted him. He won't block like Ferg or even Hendershot but he will give you more as a receiver. I just wonder if his run blocking is going to be good enough or will defenses just treat him like a big WR? Part of the reason why TEs are supposed to be such weapons is because defenses fear the run and use LBers to cover them. If a defensive coordinator just puts a big corner or safety out there to cover him, will he still be that good catching the ball? Or will he be able to punish the corner or safety running the ball?
 
Cowboysrock55 said:
Utah used him like a WR. When you watch a TE you usually expect to see him doing some inline stuff next to the OT. Not at all with Kincaid. I'm curious to see how he translates to the NFL. He does have excellent ball skills and hand eye coordination. Looks like a big WR for the most part. His separation skills were still only average to me but his YAC ability is something guys like Witten only ever dreamed of.

You'll see a lot of highlights of Kincaid making great contested catches but part of that was he didn't really have much separation. Kind of normal for a TE, they aren't usually out there juking guys out of their shoes or burning safeties. But still it's why I would have like to see his testing numbers. But with a back injury preventing that it just sort of gives me too much of a red flag to consider in the first.

I will say though, you can see some Travis Kelce like qualities so I get some of the hype. I'm sure he would do some nice things here if Dallas drafted him. He won't block like Ferg or even Hendershot but he will give you more as a receiver. I just wonder if his run blocking is going to be good enough or will defenses just treat him like a big WR? Part of the reason why TEs are supposed to be such weapons is because defenses fear the run and use LBers to cover them. If a defensive coordinator just puts a big corner or safety out there to cover him, will he still be that good catching the ball? Or will he be able to punish the corner or safety running the ball?
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This is all valid and I also wanted to see how Kincaid would run/test to see if it validated the athleticism he showed in games. The back stuff is worrisome and given that I have no insight on that I'd rather just avoid him at 26, I'm just saying that if he's supposedly healthy/cleared that he's also a gamble on greatness but for a different reason than Washington.

It's a bit of a wild TE class because Mayer is the most well rounded and probably the most likely to be a Pro Bowler but while guys like Washington/Kincaid are more raw and one-dimensional in a sense, they also have clearly higher ceilings and it's not too much of a stretch to see them getting there.
 
Isn't the back just a cracked vertebra, or is there more? If it's just the bone, I don't see why it wouldn't heal to 100% and be fine.
 
Simpleton said:
I'm just saying that if he's supposedly healthy/cleared that he's also a gamble on greatness but for a different reason than Washington.
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Yeah Kincaid can definitely catch some balls. I see a dude who is going to at minimum catch the ball better than Schultz and blow him away in terms of YAC. Schulz wasn't a great blocker and I assume Kincaid can be taught to do that.

Part of me thinks though, if it's all about receiving ability why not get a better receiver on the field like Johnston.
 
Chocolate Lab said:
Isn't the back just a cracked vertebra, or is there more? If it's just the bone, I don't see why it wouldn't heal to 100% and be fine.
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Backs make me nervous. I don't know why or what caused it but it always makes you wonder if it will be a reoccurring issue. I'm not a medical guy so I have no idea.
 
Cowboysrock55 said:
Backs make me nervous. I don't know why or what caused it but it always makes you wonder if it will be a reoccurring issue. I'm not a medical guy so I have no idea.
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I'm not a doc either, but a broken bone is different from things like herniated discs or asymmetry or other things that make backs a unique problem.
 
Chocolate Lab said:
I'm not a doc either, but a broken bone is different from things like herniated discs or asymmetry or other things that make backs a unique problem.
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It is but a broken bone in that back isn't like a broken bone in your leg or arm or clavicle. I think there can be long term back pain issues as a result. Mostly because bones don't heal in the exact same way that they were before an injury. With most bones that's not a problem, if anything it's stronger. But bones in your back are different.
 
Bringing in lots of WR's, although Smith wasn't a 30 visitor last year either so I'm not sure that this is as indicative as it used to be.
 
Simpleton said:
Bringing in lots of WR's, although Smith wasn't a 30 visitor last year either so I'm not sure that this is as indicative as it used to be.
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Not necessarily in the first but after that. Bell, Bland, Davis, Harper, Sam Williams all were 30 visit guys last year.

But truth is, just because a guy isn't a 30 visit doesn't mean he won't be a pick. But if you look at the 30 visits it's safe to say a handful of those guys will eventually be Cowboys. Even if it's as a priority free agent.
 
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