Archer: Running back moves show part of Cowboys' dilemma

Thats all I am saying. His performance this past season was an exceptional accomplishment.
 
Cowboysrock55 said:
Sure, it just doesn't necessarily make him an exceptional player.
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Well you of course have your opinion. I am relying on what the actual facts of the performance revealed for his cumulative accomplishment.
 
L.T. Fan said:
Well you of course have your opinion. I am relying on what the actual facts of the performance revealed for his cumulative accomplishment.
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What facts are you using to say he is an exceptional player or should be thought of one moving forward.

Is it what he did last year?

Actually what does Murray do physically that's exceptional in your mind?
 
Jesus, some of you are acting like Murray was 3 yards and a cloud of dust or something.

He did average 4.7 ypc. That's very good, especially at his number of carries.

Your point that he's replaceable is a valid point, but you don't have to pretend he was mediocre to make it.

This rhetoric of, "what did he really do? What did he accomplish?" is, frankly, stupid.

He was really, really good. And, he can be replaced, but not by just anybody. Those concepts can coexist.
 
Genghis Khan said:
Jesus, some of you are acting like Murray was 3 yards and a cloud of dust or something.

He did average 4.7 ypc. That's very good, especially at his number of carries.

Your point that he's replaceable is a valid point, but you don't have to pretend he was mediocre to make it.

This rhetoric of, "what did he really do? What did he accomplish?" is, frankly, stupid.

He was really, really good. And, he can be replaced, but not by just anybody. Those concepts can coexist.
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Amen.
 
Genghis Khan said:
Jesus, some of you are acting like Murray was 3 yards and a cloud of dust or something.

He did average 4.7 ypc. That's very good, especially at his number of carries.

Your point that he's replaceable is a valid point, but you don't have to pretend he was mediocre to make it.

This rhetoric of, "what did he really do? What did he accomplish?" is, frankly, stupid.

He was really, really good. And, he can be replaced, but not by just anybody. Those concepts can coexist.
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:lol

nobody can coexist on this board. Theres always somebody who has to stir up the pot
 
GForce78NJ said:
bring it sissy boy :tehj
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Cowboysrock55 said:
What you need to look at is value above replacement. It's not just what a guy like Watt brings you or Murray brings you. You have to consider their level of play compared to a replacement. There are no other guys in the NFL that can even come close to doing what Watt does. On the other hand, there are other RBs in the NFL who would probably put up similar numbers to what Murray did last year behind this O-line.
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Of course anyone would want JJ Watt on their team, maybe over any defender to ever play.

My point was to compare excellence at RB vs excellence at DT-- if you had to choose quality play at one position and suck at the other I choose the RB because the game of football favors that position.

I know I can play with Nick Hayden and go 12-4. Put in Watt, but force backup talent at RB and I don't think we win 12 games.
 
Fact is Murray was a back with talent coming out of OU and due to injuries here never really lived up to the potential until last year. The fact that he had an amazing line, made him that much better. I don't like that he fumbled in key situations, but I don't remember him being a fumbler before last year. HE can be replaced in the draft, but would a rrokie, no matter how good be confident enough coming in to give them what he did?
 
Clay_Allison said:
Tap the brakes.
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Reggie White is his only competition that I can see.

White had 13 more sacks in his first 4 seasons, but Watt still has 57, double White's forced fumbles with 12, and an insane 37 passes defended to none for White (though I don't know how well stats were kept, I don't recall that as part of White's game). In today's pass-heavy league, that's huge. Defended passes are like sacks for 0 yards, and many can turn into picks the same way sacks become fumbles.
 
ravidubey said:
Reggie White is his only competition that I can see.

White had 13 more sacks in his first 4 seasons, but Watt still has 57, double White's forced fumbles with 12, and an insane 37 passes defended to none for White (though I don't know how well stats were kept, I don't recall that as part of White's game). In today's pass-heavy league, that's huge. Defended passes are like sacks for 0 yards, and many can turn into picks the same way sacks become fumbles.
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Don't forget all the TDs he has scored as well.
 
ravidubey said:
Reggie White is his only competition that I can see.

White had 13 more sacks in his first 4 seasons, but Watt still has 57, double White's forced fumbles with 12, and an insane 37 passes defended to none for White (though I don't know how well stats were kept, I don't recall that as part of White's game). In today's pass-heavy league, that's huge. Defended passes are like sacks for 0 yards, and many can turn into picks the same way sacks become fumbles.
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I've still got Lawrence Taylor, Deacon Jones, Alan Page, Ray Lewis, Deion Sanders and Bruce Smith as part of that conversation. Nothing bad about JJ Watt. I had to think hard to come up with that list, he's that good. I'd just like to see a little more of his career before I agree that he's the GOAT.
 
ravidubey said:
Reggie White is his only competition that I can see.

White had 13 more sacks in his first 4 seasons, but Watt still has 57, double White's forced fumbles with 12, and an insane 37 passes defended to none for White (though I don't know how well stats were kept, I don't recall that as part of White's game). In today's pass-heavy league, that's huge. Defended passes are like sacks for 0 yards, and many can turn into picks the same way sacks become fumbles.
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Reggie White was dominant back in the day, but Watt had an incredible season this year. To me, it was about as dominant and game changing as L.T. in his first few years. White was steady, but rarely made so many splashy plays that Watt made routine.
 
boozeman said:
Reggie White was dominant back in the day, but Watt had an incredible season this year. To me, it was about as dominant and game changing as L.T. in his first few years. White was steady, but rarely made so many splashy plays that Watt made routine.
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I will say JJ Watt had maybe the strongest season of any defensive player ever, at least since I started watching football.
 
Watt is insane and I love watching him play. I'm glad he's in another conference so I don't have to feel as bad about it.
 
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