Archer: With OL retooled, Cowboys look to fix DL

[JBond]

Manziel or a RG? Seems like a no-brainer to me. Grab the franchise player. You can always trade him because his initial contract will be relatively cap friendly.

 

[UncleMilti]

Manziel or a RG? Seems like a no-brainer to me. Grab the franchise player. You can always trade him because his initial contract will be relatively cap friendly.

I heard they nailed Jerry's balls to his chair when Manziel fell to number 16.

 

[Cotton]

Manziel or a RG? Seems like a no-brainer to me. Grab the franchise player. You can always trade him because his initial contract will be relatively cap friendly.

I think we got the better player. Yeah, I said it.

 

[ravidubey]

Your idea is novel, but your GM views 3rd and 4th rounders as throw away picks anyways. I'd rather take a chance on a QB than another frikkin special teamer.

Damn. You have a fricking point. Damn.

Manziel or a RG? Seems like a no-brainer to me. Grab the franchise player. You can always trade him because his initial contract will be relatively cap friendly.

It's about talent, and Martin has talent.

Manziel was great in college but I just don't see it translating to the NFL. He lacks physical skills and is ridiculously full of himself. A 4 pick day where his OL lets him get crushed is in his future. Does he have the body and heart to withstand it? I just don't believe it.

I think the best QB taken in the 1st round was the last one, Bridgewater. Some think he could have gone 1st overall. When there's that much dissension about a position, I tend to doubt there are many true franchise players among them.

 

[data]

Hell is going to break loose when Romo retires. It's going to be retreads and ex-AAA. We'll be scouting our QBs by buying baseball card packs.

 

[JBond]

Hell is going to break loose when Romo retires. It's going to be retreads and ex-AAA. We'll be scouting our QBs by buying baseball card packs.

Well, at least we have a RG. If Romo goes down again and we go 1-15, we can draft the crab thief from Florida State.

 

[Clay_Allison]

Well, at least we have a RG. If Romo goes down again and we go 1-15, we can draft the crab thief from Florida State.

The only presumptive #1 overall pick following one CFB season I've ever seen actually go #1 overall following the next season was Andrew Luck. I guess Peyton Manning was, but I started following the draft in 1998, so I don't know if he was viewed as a stone cold mortal lock back in 97. Something tells me Winston will get picked apart and his stock will fall.

 

[Simpleton]

The only presumptive #1 overall pick following one CFB season I've ever seen actually go #1 overall following the next season was Andrew Luck. I guess Peyton Manning was, but I started following the draft in 1998, so I don't know if he was viewed as a stone cold mortal lock back in 97. Something tells me Winston will get picked apart and his stock will fall.

I believe Manning was viewed that way after his junior season, of course I was about 10 at the time so hey.

 

[Jiggyfly]

Damn. You have a fricking point. Damn.



It's about talent, and Martin has talent.

Manziel was great in college but I just don't see it translating to the NFL. He lacks physical skills and is ridiculously full of himself. A 4 pick day where his OL lets him get crushed is in his future. Does he have the body and heart to withstand it? I just don't believe it.

I think the best QB taken in the 1st round was the last one, Bridgewater. Some think he could have gone 1st overall. When there's that much dissension about a position, I tend to doubt there are many true franchise players among them.

What physical skills does he lack?

 

[UncleMilti]

Damn. You have a fricking point. Damn.



It's about talent, and Martin has talent.

Manziel was great in college but I just don't see it translating to the NFL. He lacks physical skills and is ridiculously full of himself. A 4 pick day where his OL lets him get crushed is in his future. Does he have the body and heart to withstand it? I just don't believe it.

I think the best QB taken in the 1st round was the last one, Bridgewater. Some think he could have gone 1st overall. When there's that much dissension about a position, I tend to doubt there are many true franchise players among them.

I agree here 100%. Johnny will sell tickets and that's about it. I do believe he will win a few games with his crazy shit and mobility...but he's not a long term solid QB.

 

[UncleMilti]

Well, at least we have a RG. If Romo goes down again and we go 1-15, we can draft the crab thief from Florida State.

 

[ravidubey]

What physical skills does he lack?

Size, height, and arm-strength.

He looks like a small shouldered, skinny-legged kid in the Browns practice video clips.

A body that small will find it harder to take the hits NFL defenses are going to deliver, especially once he starts taking off running. His patented lobs into the middle back across his body are interceptions in the NFL, and he doesn't have a Mike Evans playing like a man among kids to snatch the ball out of the air.

His arm strength will cost him accuracy, though he could make up for it with anticipation and creativity. A first round draft pick should have at least one if not several physical characteristics that stand out. The closest I've seen from Manziel is a shiftiness in the pocket with short legs that change direction quickly.