dallen
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Eh, there are crappy QBs drafted in the top 5 almost every year.If a QB is projected to go in the top 5 I would say that they are legit.
Eh, there are crappy QBs drafted in the top 5 almost every year.If a QB is projected to go in the top 5 I would say that they are legit.
I would wager a much larger percentage of SB winners are white than have two syllable names.Why would you say that? Doug Williams won a super bowl. Another vote for two syllables in the last name. What are you a racist or something?
It would be and this is a very rare position that we find ourselves in, with a relatively talented roster but with a chance to take a QB in the top 5 of the draft, while also allowing them the luxury to sit for a year or two behind a veteran QB. It's a very, very rare situation and if we dick it up by taking a non-pass rushing LB I will be quite pissed, even though I do very much like Smith, Mack and Ragland.I think it would be dumb as hell to pass on a legit QB to take a LB. At some point you have to actually draft a QB for the future...and it would be nice for the drafted player to have at least one year behind Romo. I am far more comfortable taking LBs 2nd or later than I am taking a QB 2nd or later.
They are legit according to who?Goff and Lynch are legit...and I could be persuaded to include Cook in the legit barrel too.
Not from what I have seen. We certainly can't afford to cut him now but the year after next we would save a little over 5 mil against the cap by cutting Romo from what I have seen. So really a rookie would only have to sit a year. And who cares if you have a bunch of dead cap space, you're still ultimately saving 5 mil against the cap.I'd take the best QB available when we pick in the first. But, we won't. Thanks to Jerry saddling us with the horrendous Romo contract extension we're stuck with him for 2 more years and I don't see any way Jerry has a 1st round QB sit for 2 years or beat out Romo for the starting job and have Romo sit with his contract.
Jerry got what he wanted with that extension, freeing himself from a QB search til after Romo's career is over.
I was going off the nearly $32mil. in dead money if cut in 2016 and $19 mil in 2017.Not from what I have seen. We certainly can't afford to cut him now but the year after next we would save a little over 5 mil against the cap by cutting Romo from what I have seen. So really a rookie would only have to sit a year. And who cares if you have a bunch of dead cap space, you're still ultimately saving 5 mil against the cap.
Multiple mocks have them in the first...with Goff and Lynch often in the top 10...so there is that.They are legit according to who?
Because I have read nothing considering either legit franchise-type QB prospects.
The legit concerns are the type of pass-friendly offenses they run. But I'm sure they will be examined and vetted extensively between now and April. If the Bortles comparisons hold true then yeah, I and most would pass. Goff is at least receiving Flacco comparisons which on one hand doesn't equate to top 10 pick but on the other he has a SB ring and been consistently steady in his career and took it to the next level several of their playoff runs.My biggest issues with Lynch and Goff are that they are spread QB's and those types have been bust prone.
Also the fact that they have 1 year of great success to go on.
I would no be opposed to drafting either but I don't think either is a no brainer.
They both seem to be getting pushed into the top 10 because there are 2 QB desperate teams there.
Since when is a mock the reason to consider a QB legit?Multiple mocks have them in the first...with Goff and Lynch often in the top 10...so there is that.
I agree there is lot to break down between now and the draft.The legit concerns are the type of pass-friendly offenses they run. But I'm sure they will be examined and vetted extensively between now and April. If the Bortles comparisons hold true then yeah, I and most would pass. Goff is at least receiving Flacco comparisons which on one hand doesn't equate to top 10 pick but on the other he has a SB ring and been consistently steady in his career and took it to the next level several of their playoff runs.
Yeah, it may sound crazy but we can absolutely afford the 19 mil in 2017 because we would actually save over 5 mil in cap space to cut Romo.I was going off the nearly $32mil. in dead money if cut in 2016 and $19 mil in 2017.
http://www.dallascowboyscentral.com/showthread.php?5328-Spagnola-There-Seems-To-Be-No-End-To-This-Nightmarish-Season&p=242527&viewfull=1#post242527
While there have been many busts to come out of spread systems I think the bust prone thing is starting to become a thing of the past due to the proliferation of the system. Carr and Mariota both came out of spread systems, Mariota coming from one where the threat of the run really opened up huge windows in the passing game and Carr coming from a system that obviously greatly inflated his stats, but both look to be solid NFL QB's. I think the big issue with spread QB's is when the threat of the run is such a big part of their success like with Griffin and Kaepernick, that isn't really the case with these two since neither are runners.My biggest issues with Lynch and Goff are that they are spread QB's and those types have been bust prone.
Also the fact that they have 1 year of great success to go on.
I would no be opposed to drafting either but I don't think either is a no brainer.
They both seem to be getting pushed into the top 10 because there are 2 QB desperate teams there.
Carr is a good sign but the jury is out on Mariota and even then the ratio is still not good.While there have been many busts to come out of spread systems I think the bust prone thing is starting to become a thing of the past due to the proliferation of the system. Carr and Mariota both came out of spread systems, Mariota coming from one where the threat of the run really opened up huge windows in the passing game and Carr coming from a system that obviously greatly inflated his stats, but both look to be solid NFL QB's. I think the big issue with spread QB's is when the threat of the run is such a big part of their success like with Griffin and Kaepernick, that isn't really the case with these two since neither are runners.
And I don't know why you think they only have 1 year of success, both programs were down when they both got to campus and the team's record has improved each of the years that they have been there. Goff had 35 TD's, 7 INT's, a 62.1 completion % and a 7.8 YPA in 2014 while Lynch had 22 TD's, 9 INT's, a 62.7 completion % and a 7.3 YPA. That is not one year of success by any measure.
I don't know which one I prefer yet, I think alot of it would depend on the mental/psychological evaluation, how important the game is to them, etc., and we obviously have no way of knowing that. Just from what I see on the field, Goff definitely looks more polished with his technique and footwork, and I think he may have a stronger arm, while I think Lynch is more athletic, moves around the pocket better and can throw better on the run/while evading pressure. Lynch looks like a more athletic/mobile Flacco, perhaps a Roethlisberger, while Goff looks like a bit like Matt Ryan or maybe a non-retard Jay Cutler.
Carr had very similar stats as a sophomore and also threw a ton of screens and passes that were designed to be completed within 5 yards of the LOS. I agree that the design of the Memphis offense does not have him throwing as many pro style routes as Carr did or Goff does but I have definitely seen him make NFL caliber throws, to the sideline of the opposite hash, or over the shoulder throws to the sideline for example, check the Cincinnati game if you want to see some of them, including on the game winning drive.Carr is a good sign but the jury is out on Mariota and even then the ratio is still not good.
Those are not great numbers in a spread system from Lynch last year and from what I am reading most of his passes are wr screens and comeback routes, he does not do a lot of intermediate and downfeild stuff.
Now Goff put up some real good numbers last year so the leap is not as great and from what I read he has more pro style routes in his passing tree.
Carr would be hands down the best prospect if he was coming out this year.
Agreed.I don't know if I'd be so quick to blame Bortles for being drafted by Jacksonville. If Lynch is Bortles I'm fine with that.