The Outrage Thread

[Sheik]

Of course they don't eradicate thought, behavior or nature.

But each time that law as a deterrent steers an individual decision, it is a win.

If getting a high powered weapon is more difficult, those that are truly dangerous may go and drive a car into a crowd etc. But they are also just as likely to refocus their mania onto something else. The simple fact is that it is too easy for a disturbed person to get their hands on that kind of weapon to do that kind of quick destruction.

It is not about TAKIN MAH GUNZ. It is about making it more complex and detailed that that there is a vetting mechanism, even if it is simple time inconvenience

Doing nothing and saying that any kind of new restrictions just won't work is a cop out. There is no perfect solution, but doing nothing isn't even close to trying.

Booze, that’s my point. Murder is already banned. It doesn’t matter what the weapon of choice is.

I’m not saying that nothing should be done, I’m just of the mind that doing anything just to do it isn’t a solution on its own.

 

[Sheik]

Would people feel better if every mass shooting was carried out with a weapon that is banned under the law? Or would it still suck?

The worst mass murder in this country was carried out with some box cutters and a few airplanes.

It’s now impossible to get on a plane with fingernail clippers. Wouldn’t it be nice if our schools were that secure?

 

[Cotton]

Wouldn’t it be nice if our schools were that secure?

EXACTLY!

 

[NoDak]

Banning guns doesn't hurt anyone other than people who just want to own them. It's selfish because they choose their own feelings over that of the greater good.

Do you seriously believe this? If your gun ban goes into effect, the only people that will no longer have them, will be law abiding citizens. Criminals will not be giving them up. And now they are even more empowered, knowing they don’t have to worry about their potential victims defending themselves.

Give us your solution to ensuring these criminals will also obey the gun ban. Until then, you’re not getting mine.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Give us your solution to ensuring these criminals will also obey the gun ban. Until then, you’re not getting mine.

Could you imagine the bravery of a burglar at that point? No worry that the people in that home can defend themselves. Go in, take whatever you want.

 

[Cotton]

Give us your solution

I have been yelling this for years.

 

[Cotton]

Go in, take whatever

Shit, they already do in a lot of places and cities.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Shit, they already do in a lot of places and cities.

Yeah, and like some of those places where criminals know that a store or officer won't stop them they have become very bold. Now we want to basically make every home the same way.

 

[Prodigal_Son]

Do you seriously believe this? If your gun ban goes into effect, the only people that will no longer have them, will be law abiding citizens. Criminals will not be giving them up. And now they are even more empowered, knowing they don’t have to worry about their potential victims defending themselves.

Give us your solution to ensuring these criminals will also obey the gun ban. Until then, you’re not getting mine.

It's not some theory, there's a 1000 countries out there that have gun bans that don't have problems to the extent we do. Everyone here keeps trying to claim fear mongering from the far left propaganda, but look in the mirror. The constant excuse is "what about the bad guys?!?" You don't think there are bad guys all around the world? There are, yet gun violence is extremely low compared to our country.

The US accounts for 73 percent of 139 mass shootings that occurred in developed countries between 1998 to 2019, according to a new study.

Published in the International Journal of Comparative and Applied Criminal Justice, the study compared mass shootings in the US against developed and developing countries.

The findings also found that 62 percent of all 1,318 fatalities from mass shootings during the period happened in the US.

Of the 101 attacks that occurred in the US between 1998 and 2019, there were 816 deaths. In comparison, France had the next highest number of mass shootings with eight, which led to 179 deaths.

Half of the 36 countries classified as developed did not have a single mass shooting, and only 10 had more than one: Belgium, Czech Republic, Italy, Netherlands and Switzerland each with two mass shootings, Finland had three, Canada had four, Germany had five, followed by France and the US.

The US also has a mass shooting every single year – the only country to do so.

The study defined a mass shooting as “a gun violence incident carried out in one or more public or populated locations within 24 hours, involving at least some victims chosen at random and/or for their symbolic value”.

The incident must include at least four or more deaths during the shooting.

The research was carried out by Assistant Professor Dr Jason R Silva from William Peterson University, who has analyzed the differences in characteristics between US mass shootings and other countries.

The study also offered some emerging patterns to the profile of perpetrators of mass shootings.

It found that 91 percent of perpetrators were born in the country they attacked, 99 percent were male, one-third had military experience, and 7 percent had a history of law enforcement experience.

Dr Silva, based at the University’s Department of Sociology and Criminal Justice, says it is important to learn lessons from incidents for future approaches.

“Many developed countries instituted policies in the immediate aftermath of an attack that may have contributed to stopping the problem, and this can provide lessons for future approaches to US mass shooting intervention and prevention.

“For example, in the wake of three shootings in Finland between 2007-2009, the Finnish government issued new firearm guidelines for handguns and revolvers, which were the primary firearms during these attacks. Applicants for handgun licenses are now required to be active members of a gun club and vetted by their doctor and police.”

https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/us-accounted-for-73-percent-of-global-mass-shootings-57797

 

[Prodigal_Son]

What's your plan to do that? I hear people say this all the damn time and they never have a solution. And, I can tell you, the solution isn't taking guns, unless you want another civil war.

Stop with that. I've seen that phrase come from you numerous times. Nobody is going to civil war over guns. You may think that and it may be some bullshit said on some right wing message boards but in reality, no.

 

[jsmith6919]

It's not some theory, there's a 1000 countries out there that have gun bans

We also have more guns than every army and police force in the world. Combined.

 

[Prodigal_Son]

Would people feel better if every mass shooting was carried out with a weapon that is banned under the law? Or would it still suck?

The worst mass murder in this country was carried out with some box cutters and a few airplanes.

It’s now impossible to get on a plane with fingernail clippers. Wouldn’t it be nice if our schools were that secure?

I don't see schools with hour long security lines and metal detectors, so it's not happening. Since it's not happening, what's the next best plan? To just do nothing?

 

[Cotton]

Applicants for handgun licenses are now required to be active members of a gun club and vetted by their doctor and police.”

"vetted" That's a problem. Background checks are one thing. Red flag laws are over the top and can be manipulated.

 

[Cotton]

Nobody is going to civil war over guns

Bet.

 

[Rev]

Stop with that. I've seen that phrase come from you numerous times. Nobody is going to civil war over guns. You may think that and it may be some bullshit said on some right wing message boards but in reality, no.

Texas already did it once.

 

[Prodigal_Son]

Texas already did it once.

Congrats on being backed by the US to be independent from Mexico. It wouldn't go so smoothly the 2nd time around.

 

[Rev]

Congrats on being backed by the US to be independent from Mexico. It wouldn't go so smoothly the 2nd time around.

I have no dog in this fight because it's one that will never be answered. Just stating that it's already happened.

 

[Smitty]

Yep, it's much like the networks not showing streakers at games. They know the attention would just spur others on to do the same.

Difference is, most of our media enjoy these stories. The more gruesome and spectacular, the better for them. And that's even aside from the political angle.

They make money off the stories, so... they'll keep coming.

Not least of all, also, they want to use the murders to push their agendas of stealing people's rights away from them. Even though the difference in deaths, essentially, would be statistically insignificant.

Yes, "if one life is saved it's worth it" and all that but we are talking about like 100 lives a year in a nation of 350 million. No other laws in history get passed over such slim margins. Not seat belt laws, bike helmet laws, environmental or pollution regulation, nothing.

*Note, I'm not saying there's 100 gun deaths in the country every year, I'm saying banning the AR to stop these mall and school shootings would save, maybe, that many lives, given that most of these sickos will just use knives or cars or do something else crazy, and that handguns, which will never be illegal, will continue to account for the vast, vast, vast majority of gun deaths.

 

[Sheik]

I don't see schools with hour long security lines and metal detectors, so it's not happening. Since it's not happening, what's the next best plan? To just do nothing?

Maybe step one would be to take an in depth look at what is causing this behavior. Guns aren’t causing the behavior.

Maybe we take a scientific approach to this like we’re told to do with vaccines? If there are 100k good gun owners for every bad one, maybe we live with the possibility that bad things happen sometimes?

 

[NoDak]

It's not some theory, there's a 1000 countries out there that have gun bans that don't have problems to the extent we do. Everyone here keeps trying to claim fear mongering from the far left propaganda, but look in the mirror. The constant excuse is "what about the bad guys?!?" You don't think there are bad guys all around the world? There are, yet gun violence is extremely low compared to our country.

The US accounts for 73 percent of 139 mass shootings that occurred in developed countries between 1998 to 2019, according to a new study.

Published in the International Journal of Comparative and Applied Criminal Justice, the study compared mass shootings in the US against developed and developing countries.

The findings also found that 62 percent of all 1,318 fatalities from mass shootings during the period happened in the US.

Of the 101 attacks that occurred in the US between 1998 and 2019, there were 816 deaths. In comparison, France had the next highest number of mass shootings with eight, which led to 179 deaths.

Half of the 36 countries classified as developed did not have a single mass shooting, and only 10 had more than one: Belgium, Czech Republic, Italy, Netherlands and Switzerland each with two mass shootings, Finland had three, Canada had four, Germany had five, followed by France and the US.

The US also has a mass shooting every single year – the only country to do so.

The study defined a mass shooting as “a gun violence incident carried out in one or more public or populated locations within 24 hours, involving at least some victims chosen at random and/or for their symbolic value”.

The incident must include at least four or more deaths during the shooting.

The research was carried out by Assistant Professor Dr Jason R Silva from William Peterson University, who has analyzed the differences in characteristics between US mass shootings and other countries.

The study also offered some emerging patterns to the profile of perpetrators of mass shootings.

It found that 91 percent of perpetrators were born in the country they attacked, 99 percent were male, one-third had military experience, and 7 percent had a history of law enforcement experience.

Dr Silva, based at the University’s Department of Sociology and Criminal Justice, says it is important to learn lessons from incidents for future approaches.

“Many developed countries instituted policies in the immediate aftermath of an attack that may have contributed to stopping the problem, and this can provide lessons for future approaches to US mass shooting intervention and prevention.

“For example, in the wake of three shootings in Finland between 2007-2009, the Finnish government issued new firearm guidelines for handguns and revolvers, which were the primary firearms during these attacks. Applicants for handgun licenses are now required to be active members of a gun club and vetted by their doctor and police.”

https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/us-accounted-for-73-percent-of-global-mass-shootings-57797

That’s a whole lot of words to avoid answering how you were going to get criminals to turn in their guns, too. All you had to say is you have no idea.